I’ve had quite a lot of questions about the infield video I put up a few days ago (see previous post). Mostly it was “what happened next?” and “why didn’t you idate?” Okay, there seems to be some misunderstanding – which isn’t helped by me not explaining the context or my thought process, so here goes……
Context: Tom Torero and I were shooting some infield videos for a beginners project we are announcing very soon. The trip to Prague was four days and purely to shoot the infields and some talking-to-camera footage. We’d try to get laid too, but that was secondary. We stayed together and had some approximate turn-taking with sets to ensure our cameraman recorded equal amounts of footage with both of us. I was going to mostly look for street stops and Tom was going to try shops, cafes etc. We’d decided to follow the model as explicitly as we could and avoid all the fancy permutations – so just as far as the number close. Evidence: You’ll see this when the project is announced and then released. Just hold tight.
First Set: All four of the bonus infields were shot on the first day because I had caught a really good vibe and was getting strong responses. Evidence: I’m wearing exactly the same clothes in every set. My third set of the day (and first number close) was with the Russian dressed in black, at about 12 noon. It was super-on but she was leaving for Moscow early the next morning. I immediately thought “she’s on, but it has to be an SDL” and set that against “but I’m filming and this is only the first good set on tape”. So I decide to try a Same Day De-Lay, telling her I’ll meet her later in the afternoon. Evidence: The content of our conversation on the video (currently only available to Daygame Overkill customers). You’ll see how the text messages panned out that day.
Second Set: About half an hour later I meet the American model. She’s really keen but when I try to put the eyes on her she doesn’t quite take it. She’s into it but not smoldering with the same horny sexuality as the Russian. She also tells me she’s leaving town early the next morning and the logistics sound like I’ll never see her again because of her travelling (she’s going to London for a month and I don’t expect to be there at that time). So it’s either a low-probability SDL or a low-probability Long Game. Either way I’m not enthused. So I suggest a delayed i-date, thinking I’ll just ping her for the first half hour of the date to find out if she’s on. She agrees. Evidence: The content of our conversation on the video (currently only available to Daygame Overkill customers). As soon as I’m walking away I’ve got a simple decision of whether to prioritise the Russian or the American. The Russian seems far more “on” so I choose her. I decide to just use a holding pattern for the American in case the Russian flakes. I actually forget to do so.
It’s now lunchtime, so we want to eat. I ping the Russian and she’s keen. It confirms my prioritisation. Evidence: See screen shot below.
Third Set: I’ve been hogging the cameraman so I agree to let Tom have the priority for opening. As far as I’m concerned I’ve already got two quality infields and two likely dates that evening – time to rest on my laurels. We go to the mall to do a lap and then hit the food court. Just before Tom gets rolling I jump in ahead of him: I see the Czech girl in the shop and open. She’s really sexual and into it, making my spider-sense trigger. The problem is my own logistics – I want to get a few more infields in the bag while the weather is good, the cameraman is there, and I’m in good vibe. I also expect to have a high-probability SDL-date within a couple of hours. And we’re supposed to be eating lunch soon. So after pinging her sexually in-set and getting good responses I think “just take a number, she’s not leaving town like the others, so I can afford to deprioritise her”. Evidence: The infield video, available on YouTube here.
I hope you can understand that making these strategic decisions like this while in-set and also trying to run good game is not easy, to put it mildly. I ping her quite soon afterwards, to see if it’s a flakey number or real. She’s a bit slow responding and doesn’t pick up conversational thread after my reply. That puts her on the borderline for the SDL/not-SDL decision. If I’d had a free day I’d have suggested a date later that afternoon after her shopping, but as you can see I had bigger fish to catch. Evidence: See screenshot
Fourth Set: Tom does some sets and then we’re done for the day, so Tom, the cameraman and I decided to clock off and get a coffee in the Costa in the mall. Game is tiring enough but being on camera even more so for me. It’s like the difference between sparring in the gym and fighting in competition in front of a crowd. As we walked past the escalators by the Costa entrance a girl coming down flashed me a subtle IOI, so I decided to act on it. I was tired and she was in a hurry and didn’t speak English so it was a classic “just grind it out and collect the number” set. Evidence: The infield video on Daygame Overkill. This video is included in Overkill precisely because it’s an example of grinding it out with a girl who has no English and no time.
Now my mind turns entirely towards trying to close the Russian. I need to recover my energy to avoid state-crashing and I feel like I’ve achieved what I wanted with the filming. Evidence: see the messaging:
Having confirmed the Russian I decide to go all-in on it – she’s on, and we’re meeting in her hotel lobby – great signs. I’ll only message the American for a date if something goes wrong or I get the sense it’ll be a quick date (e.g. Russian claims fatigue or plays silly buggers) and I need to park the Russian on Long Game. I mostly forget about the Czech girl – I figure if I’m not pushing for the date that evening I might as well use that fact to do a roll-off, which will give her the impression I’m not too needy. Seven pm rolls around and I meet the Russian in her hotel lobby. It’s crammed with jabbering Italian high school kids and there’s no hotel bar. We walk off to a bar around the corner. My strategy is simple: Stay near her hotel, run a fast date model, get the kiss, walk her back and get into her room. Evidence: See screen-caps below
The date goes well, she says I’m “shameless” and a “bad boy”, and we make out a lot. She’s very very nervous about sex and tells me she just came out of a multi-year LTR and the night before I met her her boss and hit on her and tried provider game (she was on a business trip – snake seduction all the way from the boss). I try to walk her back to the hotel but she says “let’s walk some more” and after twenty minutes of that she wants me to take her back. I assume she’s decided to fuck but she gets wobbles in the lobby so I escalate her there. Then another walk, a hand job in an alleyway, and ultimately I just can’t break the LMR. She says she’s sleepy, needs to pack, got to get up early etc and excuses herself.
Finally at almost 9pm I accept defeat, after 90 minutes of an accelerated seduction attempt. This one is now going to Long Game. As I walk out of the hotel I ping the American just in case she’s up for it. It’s a long shot. Evidence: See screenshot.
So it’s not happening there. I consider that a dead lead but I suggest Facebook just in case she’s keener than I thought. I suppose I could’ve messaged the Czech but my heart wasn’t in the game – I was worn out from managing a full day of game adrenalin – and it’s a bit needy considering the momentum had stalled. Just get her on a date, I think.
Current Status: Both the Russian and Czech girl are in contact, the former more enthusiastically than the latter. It’s a case of keeping the Long Game alive until logistics clear. I consider the Russian a very strong lead and the Czech lukewarm, as you’d expect considering I solidified the former with a good date and the latter has only been messaging. Evidence: see dated screenshots below.
Conclusion: Once you are good at getting girls into you, much of Game becomes about decision-making: Which girls do you put your time into, and how fast do you take it. Often on a Euro-Jaunt you’re under time-pressure (or she’s a tourist and leaving soon) so you can’t neatly stack up dates. Instead you pick a number and push all your chips onto it then spin the wheel. This particular day in Prague I played the right percentage play on the Russian and the American and probably on the Czech too, but the roulette ball skipped around and fell on the wrong number.
April 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Nice work man, but it would be good that pictures can become bigger when we click on them. It was a bit hard to read the text convos.
Btw, I like the message:
girl: Why trouble?
K: Cause my mom said all girls are trouble.
That was great, I will steal this one haha
Could you give our readers followers a next writing about texting / SMS ? Cause many people are losing between number and having the date. Some people wait 3 days before contacting or trying to follow up some shitty advices. even me I have done this before and even now my text game sucks. Many numbers are going to trash just because a bad texting skills.
So, are you waiting for timing or just contacting the girl immediately same night to keep the momentum?
Well, a bit of writing on this stage with exemples will be greately appreciated.
Thanks and have fun. [Everything is explained in detail, with copious examples, in Daygame Mastery. K.]
April 27, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Would you say there are Russian girls on the carousel? [Yes, but far less than English-speakers. K.]
April 27, 2015 at 5:23 pm
There’s a good podcast idea. The presence of carousel-riders in Russia leaves a lot of uncertainty about how to game there.
What percentages of girls ride, how to identify them, what the general strategy in a city like Moscow would be, what one can expect (whether they pump and dump you or not, etc.), In Western cities it’s obvious, try to fuck all girls same night because most are sluts. Gaming in a city where some girls are sluts and some want relationships leaves a lot of ambiguity as to how to act in general. I travel to Russia for game and I don’t know how tackle these problems. Would be VERY informative to hear your take on all of this, Russia seems like an enigma that you and Tom have figured out, but haven’t yet shared the solution to. [I actually wrote 50k words of a book on dating Russians, but never got round to finishing it. K.]
April 27, 2015 at 7:36 pm
Please do. Everything on game has been written by someone somewhere already. Russia is THE missing piece in the PUA-sphere.
April 28, 2015 at 1:05 am
Over the weekend banged my first 21 year old exchange student using your methodology. She was not a “slut” but rather a very nice girl who when properly gamed by a “mature” dude responded. The sex was a bit comical because initially she was so nervous and tight that she kept pulling away and I kept losing it but when I finally banged her she was screaming and totally into it. But admitted later she was “practically still a virgin”. The point you make that sex is everywhere is interesting. This girl is leaving in a month to go back to her country. All the rationalization: “How do you define relationship?” which I used your ideas to respond to and to which she adopted wholeheartedly; “Relationships are about enjoying the moment….too many people either look back or stress about the future, I don’t want that do you?” I got DayGame Mastery and the book you wrote with Jabba. Total game changers for me. Now I have a little rotation, a steady FB, the ease I approach girls, number close and then escalate is much more comfortable. It took a lot of trial and error and practice. The “inner game” stuff is a challenge but you explain that very well in your blog and writings. [Nice one. Those young women definitely feel better. K.]
April 28, 2015 at 6:28 am
Nick. I noticed you use smiley faces in your messages. Didn’t see this in DGM text game chapter.
Does it help in increasing the sets’ responsiveness? Or am I looking into it too much. Thanks. [I only really use them on whatsapp, because it gives so many options. Mostly it’s about doing the bad boy/nice guy fractionation. It’s very nudge-wink. K.]
April 28, 2015 at 6:41 pm
Noted. Thanks Nick
April 28, 2015 at 11:19 am
I had a +1 with a 20yr old English girl on Sunday who seemed very introverted and wholesome on the surface. It turned out to be pretty much the same as Walawala’s experience with his lay.
I noticed she loved being grabbed and pounded and got even more wet the more I was doing it.
After 50+ lays, I’ve now concluded that there isn’t a single girl i’ve bedded Nice or Slutty that doesn’t like to be treated like a whore in the bedroom.
There’s a very good reason why chatting up girls gets easier the more lays you get. And it’s because of this crucial observation, that on the surface, it’s all a facade.
They all want to be dominated. There’s no such thing as a nice or a bad girl.
April 28, 2015 at 12:16 pm
I think we met at Krauser’s Womanizer’s Bible seminar the other month. Do you do daygame in London, and are most of your lays from that?
April 28, 2015 at 2:12 pm
They’ve been a mix of daygame, nightgame, online and social circle. I try and limit it to daygame as it’s the best test of judging how good your game is and learn more from it. I’m based mainly in London.
April 29, 2015 at 1:49 am
@Onder Mine is definitely inexperienced but open-minded. Also….she doesn’t like to talk about banging..she just kind of assumes I get it. She’s leaving in a month’s time….so meantime she left her make-up bag crap at my place.
Normally i’d be freaked out but…she’s 21 and leaving. It’s kind of cool when both of us get it and we don’t have to talk about it…
April 29, 2015 at 8:50 am
Mines pretty much the same. I’ve noticed nice girls on the surface don’t like to openly flirt or talk sexual as it freaks them out. I suppose it’s to maintain their wholesome image. So you generally tone down the r-selection until you’re in the bedroom or somewhere private.
Interestingly, escalating on them is much easier with very little LMR. Probably due to all the pent up sexuality, which comes from keeping up appearances. The same is true for religious girls.