There’s an idea that’s been floating around PUA circles a long time, the crux of which is that chasing women is low value. The idea takes many forms. Anti-Game types will usually give it a moral flavour, to say that sleeping around is ‘degenerate’. Married men may tell you it’s more ‘alpha’ to marry a mediocre woman and have sex with her as she ages. You’ll hear it within the game community too – specifically two variations:
- Just use Tinder. It’s much easier and it gives me more time to focus on my online business, gym, and folding the pocket squares.
- Get a social circle on lockdown then the women come to you.
In both cases, the man making the statement will look to devalue the very idea of proactively chasing women because, obviously, he’s not chasing them himself. These are self-serving reality weaves. Men with significant cold approach experience don’t need me to explain the obvious, but I shall for newer readers. The “don’t chase” lifestyle has these big problems:
1. Grotty girls. Nature has set up the sexual market place very specifically to be that women put themselves on display, men step up and make a pitch, then the women choose whether to be swept along. A key part is making the pitch. The act of making your pitch shows the girl so much about your character, confidence, and offers a window into your personality. If you remove this step then you are trying to reverse SMP rules by expecting the girl to make the pitch. There is only one consistent way to get girls to approach you – drop your quality standards. When someone (male or female) feels they have a shot at someone two or more points higher in SMV then they lose all shame [1]. Most “no approach” systems of Game boil down to putting yourself in the vicinity of girls two points below you then acting like James Bond while they hit on you.
Tinder is a weaponised form of this. Every man swipes the girls, then the girls filter for the highest SMV guys on there, knowing casual sex is the price they pay for any kind of sexual access to a guy so far above them in SMV. Social circle game is a less extreme version.
2. Slutty girls. Expecting girls to come to you means the girl must have the drive and comfort with seeking out casual sex. It goes against a girl’s hard-wiring to give herself away so cheaply and thus such an approach filters heavily for r-selected girls. Some social scenes are by nature extremely r-selected and thus ‘make-em-come’ will work fairly well there. For example, the USA is the most r-selected country in the Northern hemisphere, New York its most r-selected city, and Brooklyn its most r-selected area. If you then focus on rock or hipster scenes you are in the most r-selected of this filter. This is a massive filter. There are lots of girls in this scene who are going out looking for casual sex and a smart player can figure out how to be the guy they choose. Great. Just know that’s what you’re getting and don’t expect it to work as well in an environment with different filters [2] Also note, r-select girls are rarely as attractive as k-selects. Banging sluts is great fun at first but you soon lose all respect for the women you sleep with and that ruins your inner game. It also puts you in your head over whether you can actually get one of the normal hot girls who doesn’t sleep around.
There is one way the ‘make-them-come’ method can get you decent quality girls who aren’t sluts. It’s the Holy Grail of that type of game, so let’s look at that.
First you must build up tremendous social value and occupy a powerful position within a chosen environment. For example you may start as a bartender in a hip bar then start a popular band, so you have a rep in your area. Perhaps you buy a strip club and hold hire-fire power over dancers. Perhaps you set up weekly house parties and become the ‘connected’ guy who can subtly value-tap every male in the room because you hold the invites. Girls will notice you are the top dog and gravitate towards you. Some of them will be hot [3]
That’s great. It’s getting you laid with hot girls. So the upside to this strategy is obvious. But rather than pretend it’s a panacea, let’s look in detail.
1. Fundamentally, this method is a status play and thus you filter for girls who highly value status. You are wrapping yourself in the clothing of external status and pulling based on that, rather than your character. Of course in that environment you can still show charisma (but you’d have to develop it, and thus include other activities in your strategy). This means you are actively selecting for girls who are impressed with social status. Despite what Red Pillers would have you believe, such girls are a subset of the female population. Most girls do not just seek casual sex with the top dog [4]
The extreme end of girls who value status
However, some of the girls who do are hot so it’s a valid strategy. How do you recognise such girls? brand name fashion, active Instagram accounts, time-consuming make-up and grooming regime. Personally I can’t stand such vacuous girls (nor they me) but plenty of them are hot so if that’s your thing, go for it.
2. This is not a low-effort strategy. You are literally changing your entire life-pattern to create a net to catch girls. That’s no different to what daygamers do, so don’t pretend it’s low value when we do it but high value when you do.
3. It’s not portable. It’s an effective strategy for a man who lives in one city and intends to stay there. It falls apart when he travels. So pick the one which fits your future plans.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying this higher-level version of ‘build-it-and-they-come’ is bad. Done well it’s highly effective. Just don’t fall for the self-serving spiel of its proponents that chasing girls is pussy begging in comparison. Chasing girls across different countries using a charisma-based game will suit men with certain personality types, certain goals, and a certain preferred type of woman. Make-them-come strategies will suit men with a different set of variables and priorities.
Have a look at this video of lions hunting and killing buffalo. Afterwards, pop over to the National Park and explain to them that they are “buffalo begging” and ought to just sit in the zoo and let the zoo-keeper bring them food.
[1] – Just think of your office workmates at the company Christmas party when they are suddenly standing next to the “hot girl” from Marketing. They’ll embarrass themselves. Conversely, if a man has very high SMV then two points below is still pretty. But why isn’t he chasing girls two points above him?
[2] – I suspect many game theory arguments come from applying a model that works well in one highly-filtered environment with a model for a completely different environment
[3] – This is subtly different to being simply a bit shiny in a location full of sluts. Now we mean normal girls who don’t sleep around who are on the look-out for a man who exemplifies the things they value. That’s not the same as a slut coming out to get fucked and choosing the best option that night.
[4] – The PUAsphere gets this badly wrong because most of them are engaged in world-creation. They go to places full of status-chasing girls, in a country known for it, and then try to display status. What a surprise that the only women they succeed with happen to be the status-chasers. They falsely generalise from this to think all girls chase status, because the ones who don’t are outside of the filter.
If you thought this post outlined a case for why chasing skirt is a worthwhile activity, you might like my book. It’s about how I chase skirt.
Krauser PUA 
November 5, 2016 at 4:35 pm
Well, the “anti-game” fraction doesn’t so much have a problem with actively pursuing girls, but with the scattershot approach the garden-variety PUA advocates. They don’t target a specific audience, and never answer the question why a particular woman might be interested in them. Instead, they approach randomly, hoping for literally any girl to be willing to fuck them. In my opinion, a much superior alternative is to find your niche, improve yourself as much as is reasonable, and make every interaction count. I’d rather approach two or three girls, and get one of them, instead of approaching 50 or more, just to get laid once. You’d think that people learn how to compare fractions in elementary school.
November 5, 2016 at 5:47 pm
>> I’d rather approach two or three girls, and get one of them, instead of approaching 50 or more, just to get laid once.
I hear this a lot. Even some guys that just want to do a more “reasonable” version of daygame… approach here and there, “when they are already out and about.” When you say you’d rather only approach 3 girls and get laid… that sounds reasonable to want and I believe you. You, personally, might have the skills to do that. I definitely do not have that level of close rate.
For most guys… approaching 2-3 would make learning a very slow process. So slow, and frustrating, they’ll quit. I was a “2-3” at night game for years… and I learned slowly, rarely got laid. A couple of years and I had some banter skills, some comfort game, that was about it.
At this point… I would rather approach 50 to get laid once. I really would. For 2 reasons… 1, I’ll learn so much more about women and calibration than the guy that is trying to do this 2-3 at a time. And 2. I like talking to girls. I’m loving the hunt, and the interactions, right now. There are some really great moments on the sidewalk.
All of life is about segmentation (said the marketer)… which segment are you in? If you have air-tight game, you can be a sniper, and get your 30-50% conv rate. But if a guy that is not in that segment, a guy who doesn’t have that level of game hears “2-3” and thinks that sounds more “dignified,” he’ll never learn, he won’t warm up nor feel hot streaks in a given day. He’ll retard his own progress while he preserves his “dignity.”
I’m very much into Krauser’s comment in Womanizer’s Bible about how these “thousands and thousands” of approaches leads to extreme social savvy. That can be done in night game as well… the point is cold approach. There is no substitute for volume. And cold approach will get you to “choice” faster than your other options.
November 5, 2016 at 6:15 pm
Are you speaking from experience? Every guy I know who gets laid a lot does not do mass approaches, never have done so, and, in fact, if they know about PUA, they are at best amused. They stand out in their niche and are thus “pre-qualified”, as PUAs would call it. I strongly recommend that guys fix their “foundations” first. If there is a fundamental problem with how you present yourself, then you are essentially wasting your time. Instead of putting in 10 hours a week or so working on your “game”, just lift weights, fix your nutrition, practice one (!) hobby — and you’ll have a much better starting position that all those weird “PUAs” who pester thousands of women.
November 5, 2016 at 8:36 pm
Aaron:
>> Every guy I know who gets laid a lot does not do mass approaches, never have done so, and, in fact, if they know about PUA, they are at best amused.
Great for them. They’re probably attractive and/or high status, and have no qualms with dating inside their social circle. They don’t NEED daygame.
I lift weights, I’ve fixed my nutrition, I have various hobbies. I don’t care about the women that practice my hobbies. I have no interest in dating inside my social circle. Thus… daygame.
November 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm
>> Are you speaking from experience?
I am. But this goes back to segmentation. I am not one of the guys you know that has historically “gotten laid a lot.” I’ve been in pickup, making massive improvements to my social life, but it wasn’t easy. I’m a terribly slow learner.
Now, I can say from experience, that I am in the segment of daygamers, out working hard, approaching. I’m not getting laid as much as I want… but I dated 5+ girls last week from daygame (and 2 outside of daygame). I fucked one, got a BJ from another, made a 3rd squirt (could have fucked her, didn’t have a condom), made out with another, etc.
I’m not trying to brag… in fact, many guys would have fucked more of those girl. But I’m on the path. And this is daygame.
>> Every guy I know who gets laid a lot does not do mass approaches, never have done so, and, in fact, if they know about PUA, they are at best amused.
>> They stand out in their niche and are thus “pre-qualified”, as PUAs would call it
Yes. This is solid game, but it is not the only game in town. Riv and I hear this from Yohami (and “Yohami is always right”). Yohami calls this “Beiber game,” as in “just be Beiber, and the pussy will chase you.”
I’m not saying that’s wrong. It’s just not the only avenue.
Krauser’s “Sigma” is a good example of this. Being “King of the Niche” is not the only path, not the only architype, not the only segment of men that will do very well with women.
I think Beiber game is legit. But I am amused when guys that are married to that alpha strategy look at real success from daygame (Krauser, Tom, Roy Walker, etc) and still doubt the model.
What if your niche was “portable?” And you could take it anywhere (like Tokyo! Or FSU for you dudes that like white girls) and start getting numbers, dates, lays… anywhere. That’s daygame… once you’re there. And as I get better, I won’t need 50 approaches… we can get better with time/experience.
November 6, 2016 at 7:11 am
” In my opinion, a much superior alternative is to find your niche, improve yourself as much as is reasonable, and make every interaction count.”
“there’s no substitute for volume”
These are not antagonistic ideas. Do volume socializing with the people you engage with while building your niche.
November 6, 2016 at 7:21 am
“just be Beiber, and the pussy will chase you.”
Every social circle, no matter how small is lead by the coolest guy available. That guy has his pick with all the girls from that circle. Learning Game from that position is easier, since it’s a position of abundance, as opposed to a position of scarcity that is what you experience when you chase after girls.
Krauser is the Bieber of this circle, and the first one the girls would check out if we were doing this in person. Im sure he has his groupies, no K?
November 6, 2016 at 1:51 pm
“You’d think that people learn how to compare fractions in elementary school.”
I think the more relevant fraction is *effort* to close ratio as opposed to *approach* to close ratio. And quoting from the post: “This is not a low-effort strategy. You are literally changing your entire life-pattern to create a net to catch girls. That’s no different to what daygamers do, so don’t pretend it’s low value when we do it but high value when you do.”
November 5, 2016 at 5:34 pm
thanks, I think this was excellent,
November 5, 2016 at 8:13 pm
@aaronsleazy: I hear what you’re saying but I think you’re making a fallacy of the excluded middle: that there’s either “weird PUAs” or “guys with a strong foundation who have a 2-3 to 1 close rate who get laid all the time.” Most of us, including me, are in between these extremes. The value in approaching girls, at least for me, is to learn, it’s putting process before the product to develop calibration skills, get socially savvy, to read girls, etc. No reason you can’t do this AND build your foundation and lift weights, whatever. Most guys should be doing these two things in parallel, not waiting until they’ve perfected themselves before they start approaching girls. This is another form of avoidance weasel, as Krauser might put it.
November 5, 2016 at 9:00 pm
Nicely put.
November 5, 2016 at 9:07 pm
Yes, most guys should be doing those things in parallel. By the way, I certainly did not state that guys need to “perfect” themselves. Instead, I used the adjective “reasonable”. This is due to the fact that there are quite obvious diminishing returns. For instance, 12% body fat is good enough in most cases. The additional effort to get down to 8% will not affect your results very much. In fact, for guys who don’t pick up chicks half-naked, it will make zero difference.
November 6, 2016 at 5:09 am
Backflip.. Initial comment’s objective was to seek attention by being contentious. Created a good debate though. Thanks.
November 6, 2016 at 5:45 am
I consider myself on the border of beginner to intermediate. What helped me through the beginner stage was player journey posts like these. I intentionally sought out this content and bought Balls Deep and Bodi’s Death By a 1000 Sluts. It inspired me to document my own journey. http://mickymiller.com.au/
I thought that the reason my energy drained so much was my introversion and this would always be the case. This post gives me great hope that I can have more consistent light, joyful and whimsical daygame sessions. K’s WB podcast S01E01 https://youtu.be/uE9vQhwrg8k?list=PLnbvO7QZZgaZmdwDMvxpSaj09e2WTq8u7 is a nice companion to this post and talks about intermediate beginning at about 6-24 months, at least 1000 sets and banging one new girl a month. Advanced not necessarily any more lays, but much less effort to get them, and higher quality girls.
K. I know it’s different for everyone, but now looking back, at what stage did you feel you had made it to advanced in terms of years, sets, and lays?
November 6, 2016 at 5:19 am
>>[3] – This is subtly different to being simply a bit shiny in a location full of sluts. Now we mean normal girls who don’t sleep around who are on the look-out for a man who exemplifies the things they value. That’s not the same as a slut coming out to get fucked and choosing the best option that night.
Precisely what i’m trying in nightgame :B (seems to work, though i have a layered pre-selection filter type of strategy if we wanna get a bit nerdy). Damn am i cheap.
The good thing though is that the contextual nature of game models is becoming mainstream. For instance, yesterday i went to the club, and there’s this indian guy (an ugly mofo pygmy like some 5’7 with ugly blonde mohawkish hairstyle) – his only game is some weird “Oy Oy..”.
Now this dude is aggressively escalating on everything. For instance, i see him escalating on a girl and his boyfriend tells him that he’s with her. He still continues to pull her, leading to them calling up the security and throwing him out. He wasn’t drunk much. I laughed at his game and wished he’d read some mystery.
I’m done for the night (which came to nothing in this instance), and i see him coming out of the next lounge with a real hottie. 6′ blonde, with maybe D-cups, probably ukranian or romanian ethnicity. He number closed her and kept talking. After a while i saw him calling a cab, and he sped away with this woman. So much so for game.
My skeptical brain was shouting P2P. Probably, but if not, think about it. Even if she was a yes girl, you wouldn’t expect this dude to pull that off ever. And yet, i can’t not believe my own eyes. So much so for the mystery method.
Probably, the way forward would be to see game more probabilistically in terms of random events (like taleb’s positive black swans with tail events) and ways to deal with such chaos without worrying too much about in-set game hygiene.
November 5, 2016 at 9:11 pm
I see this a lot with game-guys. Think it stems from wrong expectations of what good game is like – ‘I’ve put in all this effort, chicks should come to me!’ Which of course doesn’t happen so eventually they’ll rationalise away the lack of chicks in their life: ‘yeah recently I’m just too busy doing other stuff you know, no time for chasing tail.’ Avoidance weasel at work.
November 5, 2016 at 11:50 pm
This is all well and good, but there is no clear guide on how to run K-selected game. Mastery just deals with R-selection. If you present a hardcore R-vibe with a K-girl, 9 times out of 10 you won’t get a second date if you fail to fuck her that night (which usually you will, brain-freeze lays on conservative girls are rare). Even if you are willing to go on many dates, presenting yourself as suggested in Mastery will just scare off the girl. It works very well for sluts, semi-sluts, and the occasional conservative girl you manage to plough through into a first-date lay.
There is no clear guide on how to deal with a K-selected girl. It would seem you’d almost have to become more beta, but this is counterproductive because it’s a hit to your SMV. Do you think you have solved this Krauser, do you have a clearly defined way of dealing with K-selected girls? [Wait for the next book. That covers it. K.]
November 7, 2016 at 2:07 pm
Brilliant, can’t wait for it.
November 6, 2016 at 12:31 am
Interesting article. Totally off topic- Nick, Ward-Kovalev …. what’s your prediction?
November 6, 2016 at 5:46 am
1. If I was 10 years younger and 3 points better looking, I would kill it on Tinder. Just came back from a weeks holiday in Thailand and got laid almost everyday from online dating.
2. If I was extroverted, social circle game would probably be a good option for me.
A wise man once said Alpha is for extroverts and Sigma is for introverts. I am very introverted. Building a niche or social circle so I can get laid would be much harder work for me than daygame.
My friends and family are there for intimate platonic connection for the small proportion of time I want to be with others. The goal of my dating life is one on one, M to F, intimate sexual connection. There is little overlap between my social circle and dating life.
I don’t discriminate; grotty, slutty, or chaste. If they are >6.5, friendly, feminine and attracted to me I am DTF. But for my personality I prefer to meet them on my own terms, when they are on their own, and I can focus on our connection – not in a group setting where other social dynamics are at play. If that makes me a beggar I am ok with that.
November 6, 2016 at 7:08 am
“There is only one consistent way to get girls to approach you – drop your quality standards.”
Nope – raise your value. What nature set up is that all girls are after the same few top alpha males, and they throw their panties at them, making it extremely easy to “approach them”, since they all want it. The men who are not high value enough are the ones who have “chase women” as the only resort.
Men chase women who are busy chasing higher status men themselves.
The important thing is that having status or high value is not a ‘replacement’ for game and being proactive. Status / value seeking IS game. It lets girls be the secondary goal, which they like better, and you like better, and frees you to put more effort into building a better life for yourself, instead of putting it in pussy that steals your value every time.
November 6, 2016 at 7:24 am
TL;DR: Theorists and proponents of Make-them-come passive game obviously don’t get laid, cause those who actually get laid using a passive act neither consider nor espouse their act primarily as a get-laid strategy, especially on the interwebs. They are either naturals or getting bitches is a byproduct of what they love to do.
There are subtle differences between the types of passive gamers (not counting online):
1. Niche gamers
1A start a nightclub/ local band to get laid/ fake modeling agency gimmick hustlers AKA male status whore one-uppers AKA incels desperately trying to scurry up the social ladder for some moist.
1B real bands AKA actual niche ballers
2. Pure social circle gamers
Regarding 2:
The dudes that get laid from pure social circle who aren’t male models are usually cool extroverted dudes who lost their virginity early in their teens and have been getting pussy constantly pretty much ever since middle school. Yep, the top few popular dudes in school (pretty much excludes any PUA and anyone who had to learn game.) From what I’ve seen these naturals in fact DON’T get many ONSs like PUAs/nightgamers, but are “serial daters” who are always in some sort of mid-term relationship with 1 or 2 side pieces thrown in. These guys get the K-Selects that the start-a-nightclub-to-get-laid male status whore niche gamers don’t. Once they break up they always manage to get a new piece within weeks. They in fact have to ACTIVELY game, just inside the spheres of their various social groups, and with the advantages of pre-selection, plus getting constant introductions to friends of friends (many places outside the atomized Anglosphere world friends from elementary school onward actually keep in contact and meet up.). These people are usually loud, dominate social circle politics, “the life of the party”, “the talk of the town”, the subject of the girls’ gossip, and utterly despised by introvert incels in real life (aka PUA keyboard jockeys and nerds). A defining characteristic of naturals is that a road trip with friends would be quiet and just not the same without them around. The older PUA pretty much can’t do this type of game bar a 180 degree personality change from introvert to high energy extrovert (of course 90% of PUAs are introverts), so it’s night or daygame cold approach for him.
Now for the former: Most dudes who are able to get a hot-pussy ROI for their status shtick actually enjoy doing their thing and would continue to do it even if they don’t get laid from it – all the good local bands are made up of dedicated musicians. The dudes who start a gimmick band mainly for the pussy will quit before they get a whiff of vag 99% of the time. Why do successful rock acts break up so easily because of “members not agreeing on the direction the music is taking”? Hell any rabbitty PUA would just stick to the stale formula to continue getting groupie pussy instead of risking irrelevance as a solo bassist or drummer. And yeah, band groupies are R-selects. So, since successful niche gamers would be doing it anyway regardless of the pussy, the effort of doing pure game for them is in effect 0. Would you be street approaching (gaming) for the fun of it if you knew 100% that you won’t get any pussy? I know I wouldn’t. Would you play video games if you couldn’t get pussy from it? Hell yeah. Creating music is like playing video games for these dudes.
Basically for anyone reading or commenting on “game” sites, cold approach is the way to go. Name one non-natural “gamer” or PUA you know who regularly gets laid from higher SMV girls from his amazing social circle niche hack. That’s right, you can’t.
November 6, 2016 at 9:48 am
Krauser how would you rate Kim kardashian out of 10? [An 8 as a teen, a grotty 6 now. K.]
November 6, 2016 at 10:36 am
Footnote 4. Not just the PUA sphere that gets this wrong. The whole western universe is told that FSU girls are gold digging whores looking for a ticket out of the miserable existence they call their home. Propaganda to fit the globalist narrative.
November 6, 2016 at 11:32 am
Hey Krauser the press is all over this prince harry relationship with half caste American to actress. The inner gamma in me laughed when I read she is divorced and a post wall 35 year old. Was I wrong to do this? Thoughts?
Ps apparently the article says he bombarded her with texts LoL Why would he have to bombard a woman with texts with that status? Fascinating game study on multiple levels here.
November 6, 2016 at 12:42 pm
The biggest problem with the PUA crowd is that they take what should be a natural process and look at it all from a weird angle.
Building a social circle shouldn’t be looked at as a strategy to get girls, but rather something that just happens naturally by doing the things you enjoy. I got into Salsa dancing 6 years ago purely because I developed a passion for it. Over time, I got to know more and more people through basic face-time of showing up every week, which eventually lead to getting lays. Granted, it’s not really my go to place for lays as I like meeting girls through Daygame. But the point is, you’re essentially building a life for yourself. The key thing is to pick your niche and get yourself out there. Doesn’t take being an extrovert in order to achieve this.
In terms of being perfect before approaching girls. It’s not the idea that you have to be a 10/10 before you can be worthy of approaching the girls you want. Rather, it’s having the drive and ambition. You can have the best body in the world and have a million dollars in the bank, but none of that means shit if you’re static and not moving forward. As long as you know where you’re going and you’re busting your ass every day to move you forward, that in itself is attractive and puts you ahead of 95% of people in the world who believe that everything should be just handed to them on a plate without any work.
It’s our job as men to be the driver of our own trains, If the train isn’t going anywhere, then no one will want to board it.
November 6, 2016 at 1:11 pm
Right ok because that’s what women look for in a man? That a man is ‘moving forward’ LoL Sounds like off the shelf repeated mumbo jumbo from some inner game pua. Why would a woman care about this if you already have the attributes she’s looking for? In my opinion it’s just a reframe for guys looking for a reason why they arent getting laid. The most esoteric and hard to pin down the better.
In this note I’m not being funny but are you actually getting laid Onder? I mean you keep peppering hints that you are but I just can’t believe it.
November 6, 2016 at 7:28 pm
Don’t need your approval mate. Cheers.
November 7, 2016 at 2:12 pm
Spot on Onder, I’m convinced Women have an innate sense of detecting your energy and enthusiasm for life with a purpose (Drive) and it is this they are most attracted to.
November 6, 2016 at 2:00 pm
It’s interestimg to note that Daygame and any other painful high investment school/style of Game exsitis only to quell the ego and demons of the past. It’s not about sex at all.
Krauser and Bohdi have both said they care extremely little about the actual act of sex at the end of a successful pull. One of the most interesting lines in Johns new book was something along the lines of
“I’d be happy just getting my two pumps in and declaring an official notch on my belt – the actual sex means nothing. ”
Krauser has admitted similar in his blog and on audio recordings.
Jimmy has also alluded to this a bit on his blog. You can also kind of tell that is going on when reading between the lines in Johns second book.
Every serious Daygamer is not in it for the pleasure of sex. They are battling demons and feeding their ego. Anyone who was in it for the sex would realize this is NOT the way to go. Simply going to Thailand or the Phillipines would be infinitely better.
November 7, 2016 at 10:33 am
I would have to disagree with you slightly. Yes, Daygame is perhaps the most difficult strategy to getting laid. But it also develops attributes and qualities that you otherwise won’t achieve using other forms of game. Things like resilience, strength of character, the ability to withstand adversity, perseverance, becoming socially savvy etc.
I still continue to Daygame for this reason because there are far too many upsides to it than downsides. It literally makes a man out of you. I honestly wouldn’t be where I am today if it wasn’t for the months and years of approaching, getting my ass handed to me and constantly going home empty handed. I would never change that for anything. It’s made me who I am today.
I know plenty of high status guys with lots going for them who are getting laid but aren’t able to keep girls around. Simply because they took the time to build up those fundamental qualities to begin with. The thought of approaching a girl cold terrifies them. That essentially speaks for itself.
Use whatever tool you can to better yourself. Daygame is the foundation to anything else you do towards your journey of self-improvement moving forward,
November 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Yes Onder, it’s clear daygame has made you wise, strong and courageous, while putting many hairs on your chest! Now you can go out into the big bad world and conquer it as the all round cool high value guy that you have become! LoL
November 6, 2016 at 2:06 pm
Genuine question. When was the last time you had a girlfriend?
Just wondering since you seem so against relationships.
November 6, 2016 at 9:52 pm
I think you’re all just jealous of a pua named travel bum.
You envy his masculinity and style.
November 6, 2016 at 9:52 pm
😀😁😂😁😆😂
November 7, 2016 at 1:30 pm
I have a friend who does well at social circle game and so do I.
But he is after sheer volume whereas I focus my game on younger hotter tighter. All my girls are under 30.
All his ar wall hitting reasonably attractive “for their age” girls who chase him because he’s higher status than what’s available to them otherwise.
But he throws his money around and acts generous whereas I’m relying exclusively on game.
Yah he gets the numbers but is he really a natural?
For him banging a MiLF is fishing with dynamite.
I get more blow outs and flakes but the ones I do bang are hotter and younger and simply more fun to be around and less desperate.
This post made me think do the blowouts I get vs the hits he gets have any correlation?
It’s like golf you have to score against yourself…have you achieved what you want ?
When I was fine tuning my game I would bang anything just for the “practice”. Now in more selective giving me more confidence and an air of aloofness.
November 7, 2016 at 6:11 pm
“Yah he gets the numbers but is he really a natural?”
The natural would be fucking the girls you’re fucking, with half the effort.
“MiLF”
That’s just gross.
November 7, 2016 at 7:43 pm
I love the metaphor of the lion “buffalo begging” in the wild according to the lion fed in a zoo. People mentioning the same old reasons under an article which, after all, refutes these arguments. Oh, the exquisite irony.
Just work on being reaaaally alpha and keep doing the same ecosystem “game” and bang the best currently available girls (best case scenario) or just simply keep bashing daygame and do nothing (worst case scenario).
November 7, 2016 at 7:46 pm
Metaphor doesnt fit as women are not a different species, and the lion is not fucking the buffaloes. Better pay attention to what happens between the lions and their females. They actually have good game. Also – most of the buffalo chasing is done by the females themselves. Metaphor bad mmkay.
November 7, 2016 at 9:34 pm
Very well written. I think you forgot another major point, well at least for me. High Value maybe girls love being hit on with a air tight game. I catch myself looking back thinking that High value air hostess wanted to date me? An average looking man with balls of steel? Some of the most beautiful girls I’ve met wanted me to do the “Chase”.
November 7, 2016 at 9:54 pm
Sorry I don’t know much about the manosphere but have heard yohami mentioned before. Mostly positive stuff I think.
A quick question if you don’t mind yomagi. What is your opinion on daygame/street game/cold approach and the men who do it?
Cheers
November 7, 2016 at 10:00 pm
I don’t like daygame as it’s proposed – I don’t like Game when it’s sold as an improvement tool for betas (or omegas). I like Game in any form when it’s a roadmap for men to become alpha (high value). I think daygame is a hard way to go about it, if you talk to 100 girls and get rejected, the problem is not in the cold openers, the problem is you’re not attractive enough. I talk with Nash about that stuff here http://www.daysofgame.com/street_game/extreme-social-savvy-9/
November 7, 2016 at 9:56 pm
Sorry phone spazzed out that was yohami I meant to write in the second paragraph
November 7, 2016 at 11:19 pm
I agree to a degree but in reality (and that’s what we should always deal in) how do you expect a man like Nick to get the girls he’s hopefully getting without daygame. An average looking, bald, introverted personality in his forties has absolutely no way in to a 19 or early 20’s hot desirable girl’s life with cold approach daygame. That’s the only way he’s gonna get noticed. Stopping her in the street or a coffe shop, shopping centre etc
Is it easy? No way, but if there were simpler ways or better options then please do tell.
November 7, 2016 at 11:58 pm
Door, you nailed in the head everything wrong about this. The issue here is the mans worth. You value as a man. Your value as a man has one metric only – how high you rank in comparison to all the other men the woman you’re pursuing has access to. “cold approach” “day game” “night game” “online game” – all that is irrelevant. Once the girl sees you, will she like you or not?
Increase your value. The only value in cold approach is having the balls for going for what you want – which is an actual “alpha” trait. So keep that trait because is good, and talk to girls, day, night, mornings, cues, etc. As for the rest:
“how do you expect a man like Nick”
Nick is a very intelligent man. This has value.
“An average looking”
Get a fashion style. Get a male celebrity that has a strong fashion style and clone them, then add some variations.
Along with the style, improve your body posture, language, and voice.
“bald”
Get hair implants, or embrace it. Baldness can be a look, if you tie it up with the fashion style from the previous point.
“introverted personality”
Im an introvert, so is every instructor from RSD. This stops being an issue when the Introvert is in command, as introverts are good at 1 on 1, or talking to close groups of people on subjects that are interesting. So have this introvert in a situation of power where he can be dominant, contextual alpha, and the introvertion becomes an asset, not a weakness.
Or maybe you mean ‘shy’, which is something to kill not to foster.
“his forties”
Age is an asset when paired to experience and confidence. Extra bonus if comes with power and success.
To fight the bad effects of aging, get young: gym, physical activities, sports, combat, things that pump your testosterone up.
OR just embrace age. Be a quieter intellectual type, like a writer, get a niche.
“19 or early 20’s hot desirable girl’s”
The only thing these girls want, is an alpha, AKA a desirable high quality man.
“cold approach daygame.”
Cold approach means saying hi. You always have to do that. “daygame” means saying hi during day. All this is irrelevant. Who are you and how are you going to relate to her with your manly qualities, what is your value and how you deliver it, is everything. The way you display your attributes, the way you read her, when and if you take the opportunities she gives you, all that dance, that’s what matters. For her to do that she has to perceive you as a high value desirable man. She’ll put you through a funnel, and test everything, and compare you with every other man she could be spending that time with. “Cold approach” is just the initial 4%. It’s not even a skill. The skill you get is having balls. Well done, now go for the rest of the picture with the balls you’ve got.
“That’s the only way he’s gonna get noticed. Stopping her in the street or a coffe shop, shopping centre etc”
And if you stop a bunch and you dont have them dripping wet, then what you have to address is your value as a man. Your stopping and talking abilities are fine.
“if there were simpler ways or better options then please do tell.”
Yes. What I tell every guy. Get a lifestyle, job, anything, that lets you be a contextual alpha. Bouncer of a pub, public speaker, tourist guide, teacher, dj, anything where you are the one in command. From that position, practice everything you can of Game. Do this while incrementing your value (fashion, body, social skills etc), game everyone, flirt everyone, go on as many dates as you can with all sorts of people, take as many chances as you can, be as bold as you can, increasing the threshold every day – and adjust things in your life so your new framework and the changes you’re making can be iterative and permanent, aka, you keep what you build. In other words, become the man you’d otherwise be emulating, if you were doing Game only.
Become, dont fake. Or fake till you become, but put all that energy in becoming.
There was ONE guy in the seduction community who had an approach similar to this – “Bad Boy”. He also did daygame. I was lucky to pay attention to him since he had a “holistic” approach to Game in that you had to become a player, become a casanova, a man who “pleases women” since you wake up till you go to bed. If you arrange your life to be ‘that man’ then when you say hi, aka “cold approach” all of that comes through, which is 90% of the work.
It may be more difficult in that it’s a life changing process, but it makes banging women extremely easier than remaining where you are and doing a funnel, chasing hundreds of women and then trying to compensate to each one for your lack of value.
November 8, 2016 at 8:32 am
100% agree on holistic – I’ve said it for ages.
But if you want to talk about becoming an alpha, surely the best way is to actually make some coin. Requires real life skills, you’ll get assets and money *can* be sexy, and is the ultimate enabler.
I would say for every guy the ambition required, skills gained, and money earned will make you overall much more appealing to skirt than “contextual” alpha – surely this is just another “hack” attempt?
I’d much rather devote my time to real value (earning money) rather than arsing around in a circuitous route. I’d suggest this would apply to most guys too.
Then again I’m happy with who I am, alpha or not.
(By the way I am all for activities that help you to meet new people , gain a social circle, friends – it’s something that is not mentioned much and in my case at least it’s sorely lacking. Nomadic travelling is all well and good but what you won’t hear much about is the toll it takes on you over time without a normal social life.)
It’s something I intend to do next year when I settle somewhere in Europe.
PS I used to hang out with a guy who spent a lot of time with Bad Boy. He was actually an instructor and basically taught Bad Boy real game – an outstanding player named Baby Girl. Bad Boy was actually not any good. I think that’s kind of obvious from his videos too btw.
November 8, 2016 at 5:00 pm
What’s up Steve, just saw your reply.
“I’d much rather devote my time to real value (earning money) rather than arsing around in a circuitous route. I’d suggest this would apply to most guys too.”
Yes. Make money, do it for real, climb the ladder, become it, yes to all of that. The contextual-alpha Im talking here is just an entry point, not a replacement or a destination. I’d rather see guys starting into game enjoy some abundance first.
Nomadic – well you get to be the hot new stuff of limited supply. You wont be the King. All valid, it depends on what you prefer and where you see yourself at. With the skills you’ve gained all this time you could build a very nice castle, Im sure. Being fixed in a social circle has other problems. Being known, having social power comes with it’s own problems. People want to bring you down. Girl’s jealousy plots go deeper. Things that you built tremble, sometimes crumble. The fun never stops. Game of Thrones type of fun.
But you probably know all that.
“It’s something I intend to do next year when I settle somewhere in Europe.”
Best of luck man.
Re: Bad Boy, yes he sucks. To my innocent eyes in … 2007? he looked like a God with Balls of Steel.
November 7, 2016 at 11:28 pm
Without daygame that should read
November 8, 2016 at 3:36 am
“If your dating options are shit, you have one of two problems: product or marketing.
Either you’re not attractive or you’re under exposed.” – EdLatimore
So this is what it boils down to. I have no idea what Yohami’s aversion to daygame is? This skill set is amazingly powerful. How many of your contextual alphas have the self-confidence or belief to talk to any girl in any situation? Why wouldn’t you want to improve this muscle. Krauser calls it flipping stones.. this reframe helps because you are testing the chemistry. It’s akin to hunting and that’s why his buffalo analogy works. There is nothing wrong with thinking you are the predator and the girls are your prey. This killer instinct and mindset shift is necessary especially for newbies like myself who have been conditioned so much to ‘respect’ women that we have trouble even escalating on girls that are clearly into us.
I’m not sure what you guys think of Dan Bilzerian but I was listening to a Joe Rogan podcast and the guy is clued in despite seeming to most people a complete moron. He is at the extreme and the highest end of build it and they will come. He even talks about this. He wanted to stack the deck in his favour and create situations where girls just fall into his lap. He even said that he isn’t opposed to outright paying for sex but can’t enjoy the sex if the girl isn’t into it completely AKA transactional vs validational.
I understand the mantra that you shouldn’t make a woman your mission and have other interesting things going on in your life. So much of guys motivation for improving themselves and the underlying motive is ‘will this get me laid’? I think it’s just important to be honest with yourself. Where you are at currently and where would you like to be in terms of dating and well everything in life. It’s a given you must improve your value as a man and embrace positive masculinity.
https://sigmalifestyle.com/2015/05/09/the-utility-value-of-knowledge/
I remember reading this many months ago and it’s very true about the utility value of knowledge. So much of RP knowledge and game I have not applied in my life so far.
Understanding it makes me feel better knowing why I am in the position that I am in, why I have failed in certain areas and that I can improve if I put the effort in.
It all comes back to this quote: Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.
November 8, 2016 at 3:47 am
EdLatimore is right. If you expose yourself and you dont get traction, you have to improve the product. Im adverse to “daygame” or any other form of game that focuses on the marketing aspect and ignores the product. Im adverse to it not because of principles, but because there are better ways to get results, better as in easier and faster. Specifically I’ve known of guys doing daygame and other forms of game for years and getting nowhere. They should have invested in the product while doing marketing.
“How many of your contextual alphas have the self-confidence or belief to talk to any girl in any situation?”
Im advocating the context-alpha as an entry point – so this is a beta or lower guy, out of context, trying to cope with the reality of women being available to him without having to chase them, so the chips start falling where they will be at the end of the road, from the beginning. The traits you need to be good with women, aka dominance, detachment, self amusement, being upfront, not-needy, etc require that you’re abundant, not scarce, specially if you want these to come second nature to you.
Being able to talk to any girl in any situation is a great skill. You need the value and the skills, not either / or.
November 8, 2016 at 11:41 am
Your message is so scattered and convoluted. Lets see if I can break down this mess.
You think guys shouldn’t do daygame because you think it focuses on the marketing and not the product. Where did you get this stupid idea? It’s easy to see you never run game. In reality it’s the opposite. Guys doing daygame realize very quickly that in order to get any success they’re going to have to maximize their product (look, posture, vocal tonality, dominance, etc).
So to avoid running game you advocate putting yourself in the default alpha position by being a DJ, scuba instructor, whatever. As if this is easy to do. What if a guy wants to have a normal job and still get women? He must do some form of game. And even if he does get the mythical bartender position he still needs game fundamentals that are cultivated through cold approach.
Your focus is entirely on the product thinking that takes care of the marketing. Wrong. I was a guy with a good product ($150,000 salary, ripped, good style, pretty good looking, athletic, funny) but I wasn’t getting the quality of pussy that warranted. Guys are blue pill beta by default in the West. Any form of game is a way out of that. It’s a way to learn the best way possible to market yourself in whatever station you’re currently at.
The YOHAMI game:
– Looksmax (guys in game already do this)
– Become the bartender, DJ, dog whisperer, whatever
– Have women fall in your lap
What if you don’t like women that go to dog whispering classes? This YOHAMI approach takes away your ability to choose. You get whatever woman chooses you. The power of game is you getting to choose. You get to see which women that you want to fuck, want to fuck you back.
YOHAMI = Sluthate
You decide if you want to take advice from an incel.
November 8, 2016 at 5:20 pm
Berba,
No man. Chill. It’s all good.
My advice for any man in Game is to get rid of the Beta frame and embrace the Alpha frame. If this sounds convoluted, replace it by the attributes that compound every frame:
Get rid of your pedestalization of women, get rid of your need to please, and that your framework that your value to women, society, comes from things you do in exchange. Get rid of your need to follow, and specially look for this void that wants “more” of external things to be complete.
Replace that with dominance, confidence, swagger, social intelligence, detachment. Get used to the idea of being valuable for who you are, from an upper, entitled position. Put yourself above.
This is not an easy change. This requires that you know what you’re doing either by stumbling into it, or by having external guidance. Requires practice and repetition.
If you go about this doing Game only, then you try this when you interact with women. The rest of the time you go back to your life where you dont express these values, you dont have the frame. In consequence the process takes years and you may never get it. When you occasionally get a girlfriend, you “relax” and regress to the frame, you are “yourself’ again, and all the progress is undone.
What Im pointing at here is that the change has to be deep and permanent. So you do yourself a service by going to the foundations of your persona from the start. Let me know if that makes sense. If not, read a book 🙂
——–
Some things to clear:
“You think guys shouldn’t do daygame because you think it focuses on the marketing and not the product. Where did you get this stupid idea?”
From all the men I know who are running Game who do Game as an extra thing to get laid. From every course that is a laid out of techniques you must follow to go from A to B.
“Guys doing daygame realize very quickly that in order to get any success they’re going to have to maximize their product (look, posture, vocal tonality, dominance, etc).”
Cmon, let’s be honest here.
“So to avoid running game you advocate putting yourself in the default alpha position by being a DJ, scuba instructor, whatever. ”
The contrary – use the advantage position to “run” game. See how the language betrays you.
“What if a guy wants to have a normal job and still get women?”
What if a fat slob wants to have sex with a 10?
“I was a guy with a good product ($150,000 salary, ripped, good style, pretty good looking, athletic, funny) but I wasn’t getting the quality of pussy that warranted.”
Then you need a frame change and social skills, hunting skills, Game.
Basically you didnt get the idea.
November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm
You blabber on and on about about inner game like no one in the Manosphere has ever contemplated these things for the past decade. Change comes in any area of life by taking action. In this case it’s upping your SMV and approaching / seducing women, not by whatever abstract esoteric means you were on about.
You try to paint an image of all guys running game to be goofy Mystery motherfuckers, likely because you’re projecting the PUA crew you were running with. I’ve met cool guys running game all over the world, as I’m sure Krauser has, and none of them had to ascribe to your hokey pokey “deep permanent persona change from the universe” to have success with women.
I’ve fucked loads of young hot women all over the world using daygame and I’ve met dozens of others doing the same. If you want to run your Bon Jovi cover band game that’s cool, but don’t pretend the 10s are lining up to get backstage to suck the YOHAMI HAMMER. [What’s this Bon Jovi band / facebook video thing? Did I miss something? K]
November 9, 2016 at 12:16 am
Berba,
“upping your SMV and approaching / seducing women”
There. So what are you complaining about?
November 9, 2016 at 8:45 am
I’m not complaining, I’m telling you that for most guys your Bon Jovi cover band game isn’t better than daygame.
Get it?
November 9, 2016 at 2:02 pm
No you were complaining and not understanding things, but ok. Alpha / popular guys in the middle of the social scene fuck more and better girls than the guys in the periphery chasing the leftover girls. That’s why Game is about copying these guys. Have fun.
November 8, 2016 at 8:25 am
I don’t agree yohami. What you’re advocating sounds like sensible straight forward advice when you read and then think about it. “Yeah I’ll just be a tour guide/pub manager/local dj and the chicks will come running”. I don’t think that’s dealing in reality because those jobs don’t produce enough of that magic status to get women imo. Another issue I have with that kind of advice is that the women you end up banging might not be the types you want deep down.
Someone like leo dicaprio or bieber or Cristiano Ronaldo it works for but that kind of thing can’t be replicated for 99.9% of men. It’s just not gonna happen because fame is what gives them options.
The reason daygame is an attractive prospect for some men is because things are on their terms eg I like the look of that girl I’m going to talk to her. Whether she been in a coffee shop, book store, airport, park, shopping centre, supermarket etc etc etc Offcourse she chooses but if you’ve worked on yourself and learnt from those rejections (I think this is your biggest issue with daygame reading between the lines) then you will have corrected an awful lot of things that you alluded to in your post from body language/posture to fashion and deeper things like mind set/emotional control etc
November 8, 2016 at 8:33 am
I do have my own thoughts on daygame (some negative vast majority positive) but all in all it opens you up to so many different experiences that its most definitely worth it. Also I don’t think you’ve touched on the female psychology side of things with regards to daygame. Depending on her situation and emotions based on that time in her life she will absolutely be open to being seduced and the fact you are both strangers is incredibly powerful and helps things along nicely.
November 8, 2016 at 9:54 am
“Yeah I’ll just be a tour guide/pub manager/local dj and the chicks will come running”
They come, screen you, and discard you if you dont have Game. The point of starting in contextual alpha is to get you out of the Beta frame. Everything is about the frame. As long as you feel you dont have enough value and that you have to trade and work for validation, you’re screwed, it doesnt matter if you’re famous and have a six pack – as long as you’re willing to trade in work, and chase, women will make you work and chase, the more you want them, the worst they will put you through. The Beta frame also distorts reality and makes you *want* to overpay, as in, your investment and effort make the girl you’re chasing more dignified. All of that is poison and has to go away.
“Yeah I’ll just be a tour guide/pub manager/local dj and the chicks will come running”.
The lie here is in the “I will JUST”. It’s not about just doing some little thing and get all the rewards. You wont get the rewards. It’s about doing a complete transformation in your core frame, becoming a different version of you. But doing so with some leverage and a context that helps you in that direction, as opposed to a reality that tries to fit you in your old identity.
Traveling is a good framework to do this. The problem with traveling is that eventually you “come back” and can compartmentalize all the changes you did with something that you were able to do because of the traveling, as opposed to something you are.
In my case the contextual-alpha was done by playing in a band and organizing house parties. Down to a point I didnt need these supports anymore, the changes were made permanent and the skills solidified. Before that I was running a company – I could have used that but I didnt know it was possible, as a boss I was a beta with power, trying to please.
“the women you end up banging might not be the types you want deep down.”
You wont bang the women you want deep down for a long while.
By the time you have the skills to bang the women you want, your tastes will have changed.
“Someone like leo dicaprio or bieber or Cristiano Ronaldo it works for but that kind of thing can’t be replicated for 99.9% of men. ”
This is a dumb argument. 99.9% of men are not trying to do game and fuck the hot girls. The price of admission for fucking the hot girls is being an above average man, and the higher your value the better. Doing daygame and other forms of game, you gain the skills to talk to, read, seduce women. All that is good. Most men cant, wont, dont want do any of that. I dont care about these men. What Im talking about here is using the tools that nature laid out for us, in favor of the few men that actually want to do whatever is needed to fuck the hot women and beyond. The beyond being the actual prize:
Being the kind of man who can fuck these girls.
“The reason daygame is an attractive prospect for some men is because things are on their terms eg I like the look of that girl I’m going to talk to her. ”
Sure – that means not changing. Just you, the regular you, if you just go and talk to them with this and that technique, you’ll bang them.
But that’s not how it works. You need to transform yourself and go up in value. If you do that PUA style, then you need thousands of repetitions getting a little deeper and farther each time. The end goal is being a confident dominant man with social intelligence and a long list of attractive traits. Without that you wont fuck the girls who can fuck the guys who do have the traits. We’re all in a competition. Opening the girl is 4% of it.
“if you’ve worked on yourself and learnt from those rejections ”
There’s very little to be learned from rejection. Women are a special case. You get all the data when you win (if you know where to look) and zero data when you lose. For a novice hitting on girls, all the rejections have zero input on how to improve. You need to spend a lot of time with girls who want to get into your pants in order to figure it out. You need exposure and practice INSIDE of the circle. All the practice outside and trying to get in only reaffirms your identity as an outsider. You’re what you repeat. What you need to be repeating is banging girls.
“I do have my own thoughts on daygame (some negative vast majority positive) but all in all it opens you up to so many different experiences that its most definitely worth it.”
That’s great.
“Also I don’t think you’ve touched on the female psychology side of things with regards to daygame.”
Daygame is a very direct approach – if the girl likes you she’ll interpret that you’re an uber alpha and are going to fuck her right away. So she’ll screen you with that on mind. All the other stuff that Im saying is to facilitate you conveying that value and giving you more ways to explore that value.
Comparison – you as a newbie approach 100 girls, one likes you, you start phase 2 of gaming her, make a mistake, blown out, now you have to approach another 100 girls and go up and down in state, in and out – how many before you have enough hours of women seeing you and trying to screen you as the alpha, so you know what you’re doing, vs
Contextual alpha job or lifestyle – 8 hours a day where everyone is screening you as the alpha and you’re expected to behave as such.
You can even do daygame when you leave the job for a double dosis of frame change
November 8, 2016 at 10:45 am
Ok I’ll bite. I appreciate you going into detail and some points you’ve made I can come round to. But I feel guys that are so obsessed with always appearing alpha, always the one’s in charge etc etc are mostly insecure and controlling. They want to control other men and show off to females that they are number one. Again I must say that the majority of men in the community who try and adopt this mindset and the actions it will lead to will appear like massive dickheads who have a chip on their shoulder. You can’t be something you’re not. I believe you can improve yourself and limit the bad bits you’ve got in your personality/character but changing yourself completely as you suggest is weird and dangerous, with all due respect.
As you have different ideas that I mainly disagree with could you go into a bit of detail as to what your day to day life looks like in regards to game/lifestyle please?
Are you single or attached. The girls you’re getting on to if single, what types are they? Are they considered beautiful, feminine, head turning etc
Where do you meet them and how often are you involved with the quality of girl that you’re sleeping with?
Cheers
November 8, 2016 at 12:15 pm
Jabba berba is along the right lines. I agree but a little harsh maybe.
Yohami I think you’re scared of rejection. That’s the big message I’ll take from your posts and now having looked at one of your Facebook videos it backs up my thinking. Guy wants to have status, becomes a musician so women will choose him. Surrounds himself with pencil necked men so as to appear more attractive etc etc
And no offence but those girls in the Facebook video who came to the party (not what I’d describe as hotties tbh.😁)
I live in central London. There are guys doing cold approach daygame you wouldn’t believe doing it. Great looking, stylish, socially competent and masculine. They just want more choice matey and going up to a girl in different environments gives you that in abundance.
November 8, 2016 at 7:45 pm
Doordie,
“I feel guys that are so obsessed with always appearing alpha […] want to control other men and show off to females that they are number one […] dickheads who have a chip on their shoulder.”
I know what you’re talking about – the key word is “appearing”, self image, appearances, fake, ego. That’s obviously not what Im advocating for. Im saying “change”, as opposed to “give others the impression that you’re something you’re not”
“changing yourself completely as you suggest is weird and dangerous, with all due respect.”
I get that. If you take Game seriously and do the 2000 approaches, you’ll change anyway. Change is inevitable. What Im doing is putting that as the center piece. But of course it feels weird and dangerous – for the same reason that not having what you want in life feels normal and safe.
“Are you single or attached.”
Married with two girls.
“The girls you’re getting on to if single, what types are they?”
All and every girl, of all types.
“Are they considered beautiful, feminine, head turning etc”
The hottest and most desired.
“Where do you meet them and how often are you involved with the quality of girl that you’re sleeping with?”
I did way too many iterations of this, the constant is that wherever I went, I would be the alpha guy of that group.
– For a while I was a PUA, banged waitresses, random office girls from the streets, girls at bars.
– For a while it was acting classes, banging actresses and models, singers, that branch.
– For a while I was involved with couchsurfing, mostly going to events and making events of my own, banged tourists, travelers, local girls.
– Then I played with a band and created a circle around me, that was an “aha” moment, all these pickups and people I had all over the place became an entourage, I was a magnet now. “fame” in a small scale, I banged everything, I had a strong appetite.
Then stopped for a year or so to have a relationship that regressed me to a beta. Interesting contrast.
– Then I did the same as before for two years, this time adding “money success fame” to the mix, had a luxurious apartment, built a recording studio, had model agencies coming to my home to take pics, models in an out, starting to touch celebrity status, fun, lots of learning.
Here’s the base idea. We are in a pyramid. Lower value chases higher value. All the women you can get are below your value. If you use Game to increase your value, it still means that the women you get see you as above them. The more you can upper your value, the more women you have available, and the better quality too. High quality women can get any men – you have to be among their best options to have a chance. If you’re high value enough, they make it easier. The higher you are the more powerful Game is.
“Yohami I think you’re scared of rejection.”
Interesting.
Im obsessed with winning, and helping other people win.
Rejection, failure, etc, is inevitable. For men that’s the starting point. We’re disposable. To have any worth we have to earn it. I spent 27 or so years of my life in pure rejection, as an incel, mostly omega. Im not afraid of it. Im telling you how to get out of it, since I’ve tried it all. When you say “change is weird and dangerous” I get it. Yeah sure. In my case I had no other option but to change, and change a lot. In your case, I dont know. Are you ok with living a life and not getting what you want? if you are comfortable, by all means, do yourself.
“Guy wants to have status, becomes a musician so women will choose him”
Nah. Music is my thing. I learned to go for status because that’s what works in this world. Even in pickup it’s all, really, about demonstrating high value, going for what you want, and not supplicating. It’s all a power play. Keep the upper hand and legs open.
“And no offence but those girls in the Facebook video who came to the party (not what I’d describe as hotties tbh)”
I agree. I assume you talk about one party in my house with a bunch of people – I was doing that a few times a month, then going out and stuff. These were not orgy kind of parties, but parties where anyone could come and bring anyone they wanted. Good for socializing and stuff, not to meet the hotties. For that it’s better to go to high status bars, be in their circle (models and stuff), or talk to them when you cross them somewhere.
“I live in central London. ”
How is it? my plan is to move there in a year, after Im done putting some money together.
“There are guys doing cold approach daygame you wouldn’t believe doing it. Great looking, stylish, socially competent and masculine. They just want more choice matey and going up to a girl in different environments gives you that in abundance.”
More power to them.
November 9, 2016 at 11:10 am
Think it depends what the guy wants out of life and how he wants to live. It’s a personal choice.
Well done on your transformation and long may it continue but for some that kind of lifestyle would be draining and not fit comfortably with who they are.
Daygame in my opinion gives a guy (bearing in mind his fundamentals are sound) lots of options, gives quick feedback and freedom which I value highly. Travelling around and learning what you like in a girl is also a really appealing aspect to this stuff. It’s adventurous.
Don’t agree with you saying you can’t learn anything from the rejections daygame offers, I think it teaches immediate sometimes harsh lessons but that’s part of the journey (particularly for a newbie).
I do agree that having people in your life that are on a similar wavelength to yourself is key plus nurturing your relationship with family members will make life sweeter. Plus I think more guys should be open to a relationship if a girl comes along that ticks boxes (or a mini relationship setup if possible).
Cheers
November 9, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Sure it’s all about personal choices. Mini relationships are good things to have. One thing about rejection – it does teach you, but the time spent playing teaches more than rejection. Imagine is a tennis playing skill. You learn more, the more time you spend playing tennis.
If what you’re doing involves people to play with you, and they saying “no” and you keep looking for people to play, that will not make you a great tennis player.
When I propose that newbies start from a higher value, contextual alpha position, that would make most other people want to play tennis with you. Then you will suck, but you will be able to focus on playing tennis (and losing), instead of focusing your time on asking people to play, or how to improve your technique and approach to ask people. That’s what I scratch my head about, makes sense?
Then about failure specifically: failing has a value in that you tried and found things that dont work, and gain experience, which is always good. But winning gives you more in that now you know what works, and gives you something that you can repeat. All other things being equal, winning teaches more than losing, or, who would you hire as the CEO of your company:
– The guy who bankrupted 10 companies
– The guy who bankrupted 5 companies and 5 made it big
– The guy who bankrupted 2 companies and 8 were OK
– The guy whose last 10 companies made it big
Who do you think knows more of the business? and, who would the girls pick? change with tennis, etc. With girls, it’s about having had other women. The more women you had the better – its not only about preselection, its about actual know-how and skill, and what that says about your core attributes, who you are, ultimately, your DNA, since all of this is a screening process to get your semen.
So embrace failure because there’s no way to avoid it, but focus on winning.
And all the process of “approaching” is not where it’s at. Relationships and dealing with women is where it’s at. Figure a way to jump into that as soon as possible, thats where all the learning happens.
November 10, 2016 at 12:08 pm
Ok mate. Good luck with lifestyle game
November 10, 2016 at 4:10 pm
You too
September 9, 2019 at 5:09 pm
hi there yohami this is a old article but very very intresting one, whats your thoughts on instagram game, i imagine its easy to get 20k followers on instagram, you go to the rooshforum ask them to follow you and boom you have well above avereage instagram count. Then that is a huge DHV, a group of guys can have two instagram accounts one main account to attract girls and another account to follow the other guys. then you build each other up then you see these guys have 15000f ollowers and they are ony following 200 people. you attract girls, they will see you have way above average status, [No. That’s completely retarded. K.]
September 9, 2019 at 5:49 pm
You still need the goods
September 26, 2019 at 3:35 pm
the goods being looks money status, you argitianian right, how does LMS game work in argintina
September 26, 2019 at 5:05 pm
Im Venezuelan but lived in Argentina for 14 years or so. What’s LMS? [Looks, Money, Status. K.]
November 10, 2016 at 5:40 pm
Thanks
November 24, 2016 at 11:21 pm
Long Time Krauser, Good to see you still putting out good materiel that explores to help you and the readers to understand the concepts we use to our advantage the construct of the modern social fiber
Now why do you feel the need to “have respect for women” else you will lose your inner game, its a form of pusy pedstallization, respect is some thing earned through actions, most women dont deserve respect, not from the R selected male, now I see you have made a solid point about “hot girls who dont sleep around” – numbers of those are diminishing, due to the whoredom of feminism and other hogwash rights being pushed by the power that be. however deal is, even a majority of those girls will screw alright, as long as you fit the profile. Its a very good post you made here but a paradox non the less which makes one question, and dont get me wrong, well done on keeping up ones and others hopes, but reality is most women are whores, give or take and 2 generations of brainwashing .has encouraged this behavior and made a bunch of beta single mother raised men who will just accept this as well as take it up their behind. Deal is the construct of the society does not value heart or love and actually designed the relationship you have with your normal girl to fail within a time frame; can not have respect for sheep who willingly to to the slaughter house or birds who fly branch to branch, then again we are people, rather be a wolf than a tree for birds. Good post non the Less. .