It’s commonly known that when surveying people about their sexual habits and history women will understate and men will overstate. File that in the drawer marked Obvious. Add internet anonymity and suddenly every man is ten feet tall, pulls in mad stacks, and is balling it with dimes.
Well in America, anyway. To paraphrase Robert E Howard*, “I’ve never met an American who wasn’t fronting.” Usually I don’t mind such bullshitters because I mentally subtract three points from the girls they claim to be banging and long before I learned Game I never accepted the Argument From Authority. If you want to convince me of an argument I expect to see true premises (supported by evidence) woven into a conclusion with valid argument. I don’t care who is presenting that argument.
I know within thirty seconds of meeting a man if he’s doing well with women. I’ve met a bunch of name coaches, under-the-radar players, and bloggers of repute. Of those I know who has it and who doesn’t. I can’t say the same for commentors. So let me offer a little deal.
If you want to pull the argument from authority and be taken seriously on the basis of that alone, you must prove yourself to be an authority. That means you must send me (firstname.lastname@example.org):
- A photo of you that is representative of your SMV
- Photos of the last three girls you fucked (for free), with a note of when you banged them
- Your lifetime laycount and also over last twelve calendar months.
This information will be accepted on an honour basis, so I’ll take you at your word. I figure liars and weasels will easily trap themselves in later comments. I promise to keep the specifics you provide private unless you give me express permission to publically mention it. I won’t share the photos (even if we have a subsequent heated disagreement) and if I refer to your laycount it will be vague. I’ll simply make occasional mention that I saw your evidence and where I rate you.
This is the only way I will take you seriously. Any other attempts to position yourself as a player will be met with derision.
This is entirely optional. Feel free to decline the offer. You are still welcome to comment. You will still be judged on the quality of your comments. Just don’t expect anyone to accept “trust me, I bang hotties” type positioning. Top that, motherfuckers.
* “I’ve never met a wrestler who wasn’t champion of something” from a classic Sailor Steve Costigan story.
July 30, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Nice sign off..
July 30, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Are you for real? Who the hell do you think you are to demand that other men “prove themselves to you”? And what kind of pathetic, low value man would actually email you in this fashion, seeking your validation like some supplicating wretch? Unbelievable. I’m half convinced this is some trolling attempt.
If this is genuine – you’ve let this shit go to your head. You’ll get respect from me when you’re a self-made billionaire playboy who has to take bodyguards out with him to fend off the women who are throwing themselves at you, and not a minute before. [Well done for missing the point, princess. K.]
July 30, 2013 at 2:05 pm
HEY. I’m a billionaire playboy. Like tony stark. Show me sum luv baby
July 30, 2013 at 2:53 pm
I’m not sure whether this objection is for real, but if it is, I suggest you check out the movie “Casino”, which is a TRUE story of events in Vegas in the 1980s. Watch the character that Sharon Stone plays. She’s married to a very rich and influential Las Vegas casino boss. But the man she loves and will anything for is a low-down pimp. Why? Because the former gave away the store while the latter had game.
Other examples abound. Some of the most bored women you’ll ever see are rich men’s wives. Check out the Ben Goldsmith divorce. Rich heir to a famous family sees his wife cheat with a rapper. Granted the rapper’s got money too. But she already had $ with Goldsmith. Now look at the pictures of the men in this article. See their body language.
Krauser also addressed this with comments about the movie Scarface. [Chumps always think money/status trumps Game. I love Casino because of precisely the dynamic you describe. A guy with zero charisma bets the farm on provider game and loses his girl to a cad in a bedsit. Rivelino put me on to Eric Schmidt. That’s another classic of what chump game really nets you. K.]
July 30, 2013 at 6:14 pm
For what it’s worth, she was a hooker and a drug addict. How sad do you have to be to be rich and marry a hooker? She isn’t a good example of anything except perhaps a failure at parenting.
July 30, 2013 at 1:38 pm
OT Question: If one wants to learn how to fight/defend himself, what is the best option/system for average Joe? I know nothing about fighting other than that the tricks I used at kindergarten don’t work that well anymore. [Fighting and self defense are two different things. For the latter read Geoff Thompson’s “Dead or alive” and this blog. For fighting, learn to punch really hard with your right hand. Everything else is your backup for when that doesn’t end it. K.]
July 30, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Thanks, I’ll read the book. I already have “Krav Maga: How to defend yourself against armed assault” book by Imi Sde-Or/Yanilov. Not sure if it’s good, I just randomly bought it.
July 30, 2013 at 2:33 pm
I have a book called how to defend yourself from anal assault. I did not purchase it randomly [Humour is fine, but adding value is better. K.]
July 30, 2013 at 3:43 pm
The best is Krav Maga(under Krav Maga Global/Eyal Yanilov) but you won’t learn anything from a book. You have to train with a real person. Maybe later(1 year+) you can try something more aggressive, like Thai Box or something more technical, like BJJ.
And regarding the K’s post: I’d understand this if you were starting some private community discussion board. Otherwise I agree with YouSoWould. [Ok, I’ll bite. The manosphere is full of bullshitters and clowns offering bad advice. It’s full of dickheads trying to state-leech off noobs by building themselves up into an internet alpha and then drawing supplicators. For an example see G Manifesto on the Roosh forum. I don’t know if he’s for real but he certainly hasn’t offered proof of bona fides and he has an army of supplicators. These men (generally, not talking about G) offer advice in the form of “I’m a playa. I bang hotties. Do this and you can be more like me”. That’s an argument from authority. The only time you should accept it is if that person has proven they really are an authority. Otherwise you should judge them on the quality of their argument alone, as if anyone had proposed it. But how do we establish authority in the manosphere/PUAsphere? There are many legitimate reasons why a genuine authority will not publically post pictures of himself and his girls. Just look at how many haters have tried to take down Roosh and Roissy. So what to do? The only sure way to know is to hang out with a guy in person for several months to watch what he does and which girls come into his life. I did that with Tom Torero, Steve Jabba, Jimmy Jambone, Burto, Jon Matrix and a few others. Realistically there needs to be a less time-intensive way. So I have offered to be an escrow account. I will offer a qualified “not a bullshitter” kitemark on anyone willing to submit to the test. It’s a way to avoid the dangers of being doxed and breaching privacy while still getting some credit as being for real. It’s not arrogance to say my word carries some weight in the community. With that kitemark the noobs have a tool to filter who to consider an authority and who to consider a keyboard warrior. It’s not perfect. It’s a hell of a lot better than letting more Mark Minter’s run riot.
What I’m NOT doing is building an army of supplicators. YouSoWould is so precious about his frame that he immediately leaped to the wrong conclusion. Just like the homeowners who put up “Absolutely No Salesmen” signs in the window reveal themselves to be suckers.
Jesus, did I have to actually explain all that. What happen to reading comprehension and common sense? K.]
July 30, 2013 at 10:56 pm
I think what Nick has suggested isn’t a bad idea.
Want to be taken seriously? Prove it!
The truth is, many of the PUA’s and manosphere bloggers are simply Internet marketers who are only in it to make a quick buck.
I know this due to my internet marketing knowledge. One of the first things that get taught is the idea of writing for your audience so as to increase your traffic levels. And the only way you can do this is by establishing yourself as an ‘authority’ so your audience can trust you enough to eventually ‘buy’ from you.
Because of this, it makes it very very difficult to distinguish between someone who’s for real and someone who isn’t.
Nick has done/and continues to do this by posting videos of his ‘closes’.
How many guys are there that actually do this?
Approaching and getting numbers is easy. That’s why so many guys are posting videos of it. It’s the things after the number that really counts.
There are only a few guys who I’ve met in person who I can honestly say is the real deal.
Nick and Paul Janka are definitely 2 of them, who i’ve also met in person. I’m sure Steve is too.
July 30, 2013 at 5:06 pm
This makes no sense. Anyone who is capable of lying about their conquests with text is just as capable of sending you three photographs of decent girls that they havent fucked. It means nothing.
August 2, 2013 at 12:46 pm
What videos? There are no videos. Krausser can be lying like everyone else. [You can’t even spell my name that’s in huge letters at the top of the page. Fuck off moron. K.]
July 30, 2013 at 5:24 pm
“I’d understand this if you were starting some private community discussion board.”
in a way, i think that’s what krauser is trying to do, get rid of the frauds who are now coming to his blog and posting crap. yousowould said who is he to “demand” that other men prove themselves to him. he isn’t demanding anything. we are all coming voluntarily to his blog to read what he’s up to.
at the same time, i think nick is in a bit of a pissy mood. see this post 🙂
July 30, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Not a fan boy. Only posted on here once and that was to spit hate at Krauser. Now I’m going to perform a volt-face of such a magnitude even Minter would be proud..
Has anyone read YouSoWould’s latest ‘article’? Jesus, how people aren’t tired of reading the same old pseudo motivational shit regurgitated and rehashed is beyond comprehension. He even talks about banging celebrities! And this is coming from a man who has a .wordpress blog. The mind truly boggles..
I digress (kind of). I think the sine qua non of this post (as I understand it) is to weed out all the bullshitters out there. There are so many blogs now (and by extension so many devotees) who proclaim they’re banging 3 different 10s a day it’s beyond mockery. What’s even more disturbing is the growing increase in all the fan boys who lap this shit up like there’s no tomorrow..
Indeed, if I said I could double your money you would want some kind of proof of my credibility before parting with your money, right? Surely we should exact the same standards of people preaching to us on how to live our lives?
Anyway, I’m ranting but for this commentator, I’ve found I’ve started to read some of the blogs out there with disbelief that sometimes borders on contempt, hence the hate aimed at YouSouWould’s latest ‘piece’.
Normal service now resumes..
July 30, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Nick, who normally demonstrates such immaculate frame control both on blog, emails and fb, is entitled to one jump the shark moment, for all the free value and instruction he has provided.
NB: If you find yourself in fact emailing Nick proof of your lays, personal photos etc in order to accredit yourself, you just failed inner game 101 and need to go back to manosphere school.
July 30, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Alex, I think what K is saying is that if you’re happy hitting the streets and getting notches without the need for community validation then more power to you. However, if you want to act like an authority figure and possibly get others to pay you for your services then sack up and show some proof.
I’ve read 1 post on G Manifesto’s blog where he talked about GSP the UFC champ respecting his pickup game and that’s all I could handle before I called BS.
I’m also guessing this was in response to the commenter Joel who’s been plastering some over simplified tripe in the comment sections. I think his steps to get laid were “find a group of chicks, bring them to a bar, buy them a shot for pre selection, pick the one you want and fuck her”.
K’s blog is great because he shows the nuance and how you can gain or lose a strong hook off a number of small variables. So for him to put in the time to break down those scenarios for us and then have people challenge him when they clearly haven’t put the time in to read and comprehend the content is something i’m sure gets old quite fast.
July 31, 2013 at 6:22 am
“K’s blog is great because he shows the nuance and how you can gain or lose a strong hook off a number of small variables. So for him to put in the time to break down those scenarios for us and then have people challenge him when they clearly haven’t put the time in to read and comprehend the content is something i’m sure gets old quite fast.”
July 30, 2013 at 7:05 pm
I find it an interesting concept. From the other side of the scale (I’m nowhere near your level even before factoring in my decent looks and good logistics), I’ve always thought it interesting to get an assessment of where you’re at from a formidable player such as yourself despite wanting to maintain my anonymity. I care more for my privacy than for my ego stroke, though.
Since you used G Manifesto as an example, do you think it’s possible that even if he is mostly a fictional persona, that the advice can still be solid and applicable? Some of his material really resonates a lot of truth to me.
July 30, 2013 at 7:24 pm
What a shit test story to tell the females
July 30, 2013 at 11:30 pm
A man who lacks the social intelligence to understand and interact with men are not accomplishing anything with women. So frothing at the mouth over this posts tells people all they need to know about your “game.”
July 30, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Authority is determined by the mob. They pick and choose. You may be able to influence it by vouching for certain people, but in the end the quality of the idea comes before the man behind it (for better or worse). Minter’s advice was widely shared. When it later came out he was hypocritical, his status was questioned. There is no one in the manosphere right now who doesn’t know what he did, and can now make a more well informed decision on what to do with his writing.
This bottom-up system, while not perfect, worked in the end, because on a long enough timeline, all phonies will be revealed. Those that have authority status, without proving it, have provided a message that resonates with the people. G’s advice on wearing suits, for example, has helped men get laid, so those men won’t care if it turns out he’s a 300 pound dude living in his mom’s basement. The irony is that the more authority you have, the more you care about other men’s authority. Those with low authority (the average blog lurker) doesn’t care as long as the words help him.
The question on if a man’s character should match his words is a divisive. I believe it should, but many guys disagree with me.
July 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm
July 30, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Silly comments (especially Yousowould). If you were a high value man you would either not give a shit about the post or follow the steps and engage with an established pua. Simple.
July 31, 2013 at 4:21 am
Listen K, you’ve got enough value being flung around by these commenters. You could use some humor here.
Dude, Roosh V just commented. That’s enough value to impregnate an entire third world country.
July 31, 2013 at 9:10 am
yes, if you want to be positioned as a player. I’m more interested in getting input and insights than giving them. glad to share my own experiences if they’re relevant. but game has helped me move from what would have been a 40ish loser to a more accomplished, more confident guy who can bang girls in their 20’s. Would never make myself out to be anything more than someone ploughing through and trying often times to make sense. Success has lead to more success, but much of this is about working on the things I lack: more confidence overall, soft-dominance etc. [It seems most of the hissy fits came from not reading this line “If you want to pull the argument from authority and be taken seriously on the basis of that alone, you must prove yourself to be an authority”. People are welcome to offer advice and talk about their experiences. I’m saying those who position themselves as expert players on my blog should prove it. Those who don’t pose don’t have to prove. K.]
July 31, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Totally agree. As for the G Manifesto…that is hilarious…it’s like a send up of a pua site.
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July 31, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Good post as theres too many charlatans on the manosphere just like in pua.
Even though he is a good writer there is no evidence of Roosh being any good at pulling hotties. I never believe field or lay reports alone. Roosh has no infields or date clips, let alone f-close vids.
I love this blog for that reason. Nick seems to have banged 60 ish girls. Tom Torero has banged over 130 in the same period and its not true he goes for ugly ones. I did a residential with him and John and Tom had three hotties over in a week, one English one.
Ive seen John Matrix with stunners but he told me he’s slept with less girls than other big names as he doesn’t care about a lay count.
I read somewhere Jabba has nobbed over 500 but theres no proof, not even d2 vids or pics. Yad and Yosha seem murky as well.
Nick seems to like beauty that is not mainstream as the sets ive seen him do and the girls ive seen him instant date are older and geeky looking but pretty, not hotties, but fair play hes nearly 40.
I have seen Julien from RSD do toilet pulls with stunners in LA. Everyone else I have no evidence about. [I can personally vouch for Jabba and Tom from seeing them work and seeing girls they banged. To a lesser extent I can vouch for Jon – same sort of thing but I haven’t hung out with him as much. I’ve never seen Roosh’s girls but I’ve met him a couple of times and he has the look and vibe of a man who is doing well with women. Yad and Yosha I’ve met and seen in set but never hung out with / seen past the street stop. Julien I have never met. K.]
August 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
Yep, very good proposal. Although it will require a minimum percentage of commentators to take up this ‘certification’ for it to be valuable.
It will also need some means of flagging a comment when someone pontificates about what should be done and uses the ‘argument from authority’ as a justification.
And how will we know if a commentator is certified? Will they have a little blue tick next to their name al la Twitter?
August 2, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Pound for pound I think Tom is the most remarkable daygamer in the world. Let’s look at the others we all know about and there lays.
-Steve Jabba, 500 lays in ? years. No evidence. Very alpha / good looking guy
-Paul Janka, 250 lays in 5 to 8 years in NY. Evidence from those who know him. Model looks
-Tom Torrero, 140 lays in 4 years. Lots of evidence. Average / ugly looks
-Nick Krauser, 60-70 lays in 4 years. Lots of evidence. Average looking
-Justin Wayne, no lay count but seems legit. Average looking black dude.
-Jon Matrix, no lay count but seems legit. Model looks
-Andy Yosha, no lay count but seems legit. Good looking
-James Marshell, no lay count but seems legit. Good looking
I regard Sasha PUA, Yad and Berba as frauds, especially Berba and Sasha, Yad is good at talking to girls but there is no evidence he fucks any of them. Roosh is just a cult leader and a skilled blogger not a daygamer.
If this was MMA Tom would win as he’s the most ugly but get the most relative lays in the same time frame. That must come down to his skill. Krauser would be second because of his average looks and older age. Krauser is the best blogger in my opinion.
I want to collect real data on the RSD instructors but its quite hazy. Same for people like Gambler, Adam Lyons, Mystery, Neil Strauss and so on.
August 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm
“Roosh is just a cult leader”
this is a very quotable post. i enjoyed it.
August 2, 2013 at 4:35 pm
“Yad is good at talking to girls but there is no evidence he fucks any of them.”
true, but would tom and jon hang out with a fraud? doesn’t make sense.
also, yad invented the #yadstop. that makes him a genius in my book.
August 2, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Were did you get these numbers?
August 3, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Jon Matrix is probably the best in stripping off the unnecessary from the game structure, which should be the goal I think, and it’s why I’d rank him the best. According to Tom he has the lowest flake rate in the industry. Anyway, Tom and Jon are my favourite sources.
August 9, 2013 at 10:53 am
Menno, nice post! Just a few points…
Janka was in LTRs within that time period so his run-rate is likely to be much much higher than your numbers indicate.
Are you sure about Justin Wayne?
Slightly harsh on Roosh. It’s not his fault if he has some oddly devoted followers and AFAIUI the guy lives alone in foreign cities for a few months at a time, while needing to work to generate an income. I do a similar thing and, I assure you the dynamics are different. Its tougher daygaming alone in a foreign city for a number of reasons, add you need to factor this in.
No wing man means you will get bored, and your inner frame will be challenged to remain outcome independent. This is especially tricky when many of your leads wont speak your language. The need to constantly work reduces the time you can go gaming, and being alone makes it socially harder as well. Two mates, on holiday for a week or so, walking around a town square is a perfectly natural site for onlookers. A bloke on his own, who lives in the city for three months, and is repeatedly seen direct , daygame approaching in say, a small city like Zagreb, can easily come across as a weirdo. Not good for your SMV! You need to be a bit sensible and socially aware when contemplating these things , and I think Roosh writes well on game.
James Marshall and Liam McRae are not discussed much, but I’ve seen them in action live, they are good. They both have the natural advantage of being tall good looking guys, and they take advantage of it. Its a direct style of approach and their sexual intent is clear from the start. I approached a girl after one of them had (I call it daygamegame) and she remarked that he (McRae) was ‘just staring at me’ and it unsettled her. Okay the situation wasn’t good for that kind of approach (coffeeshop), but her reaction is telling you he established good eye contact and forced her into a decision early on. She IHABed and he moved on. Turns out she did have a bf, and of all places, she’d met him in a library. In other words, he wasted no time or energy on a duff lead.
February 27, 2016 at 5:31 am
>Slightly harsh on Roosh. It’s not his fault if he has some oddly devoted followers and AFAIUI the guy lives alone in foreign cities for a few months at a time, while needing to work to generate an income. I do a similar thing and, I assure you the dynamics are different. Its tougher daygaming alone in a foreign city for a number of reasons, add you need to factor this in.
No it isn’t. It is far, far, far, far, far, far easier. Or the same difficulty at worst. You have the shine appeal of being foreign, you have no distractions and you have just one thing to do with your social time: meet women.
>No wing man means you will get bored, and your inner frame will be challenged to remain outcome independent. This is especially tricky when many of your leads wont speak your language.
Don’t bother with girls who don’t speak English except as ONS’s. Wow, I just solved your issue that quickly?
>The need to constantly work reduces the time you can go gaming, and being alone makes it socially harder as well.
Oh dude, that’s crazy, you mean working reduces the time you can go out? Wow, I should go tell that to nearly everyone ever who works 40 hours a week. I bet no one else who gets laid consistently has a job….
>Two mates, on holiday for a week or so, walking around a town square is a perfectly natural site for onlookers. A bloke on his own, who lives in the city for three months, and is repeatedly seen direct , daygame approaching in say, a small city like Zagreb, can easily come across as a weirdo.
You are a weirdo. People don’t take that much notice of you kid.
>Not good for your SMV! You need to be a bit sensible and socially aware when contemplating these things , and I think Roosh writes well on game.
Yeah, a lot like Feist writes good fantasy. Which is another thing they have in common.
I say a post about Rooshs stats a while ago. It said 12 lays a year. I got 12 lays last year, in the three months I was single. Therefore Roosh is below my level of game. I’m at the intermediate-advanced threshold, thus Roosh is not positioned well enough to be an authority on this.
October 11, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Jon Matrix looks like model? I think he looks average/good and James Marshall looks like model. Yad taught Jon so I think he is not fraud;) Believe or not Sasha has more than 1000 lays…Sasha, James and John Keegan are better than you think. Anyway numbers are not so important. [You have drunk the PUA kool aid. K.]
August 3, 2013 at 12:24 am
Who cares if someone is certified. As long as you are not buying something from them, it really doesn’t matter. Point is, once you reach a certain level of understanding women, you can more or less tell when someone is bullshitting. Until you reach that level, if something you read sounds cool, try it out. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. And if it does work, then make it your own. And if it doesn’t, then toss it to the side
August 3, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Why lie about banging chicks? It’s the most insecure and lame thing to do. I’d rather say I suck at game and keep my dignity intact than lie and not own up to it. It’s more honorable that you speak the truth than lie out of insecurity in my mind.
I’m definitely not where I want to be with game. ‘nough said. I honestly think most of it is a number’s game and consistency on my part. Low numbers where I live, and so I wait for the colleges to sprite. I used to do bars and clubs with little success and I’m honestly tired of it and would rather not.
I try not to beat myself up over the little shit anymore. I’ll go out when it’s dead and I’ll go out when college is in session and hit it hard. Rejections are what is expected. This is why I like guys who are true about their pick up attempts, in that they admit that rejection is plenty, but it’s the ones that work that make it all worth while. This is why consistency is important, and high approaching, in my opinion.
March 23, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Agree Sasha is a fraud. Possibly YAD to I remember him chatting to another guy how he had spent 18 hours sarging but achieved nothing. He knows how to talk but his lay count is near zero.
Krauser is geninune along with Tom
July 12, 2014 at 1:12 am
To me it’s the model that matters, specifically the London Daygame Model, a model that has emerged in a collaborative way from the exhaustive testing and adjustment of a small group of researchers who largely know one another. The Daygame Blueprint and Krauser’s books are the core of my self-study program and they are consistent with one another. The consistency of the model, the collaboration and network of trust, and the occasional evidence (video infields) from apparently independent sources gives me sufficient confidence to invest the time to study and use it. And, when all is said and done, my own results will cement my confidence in the model, and anything new that comes along should have to be compatible with the existing model, same as in the sciences.
July 21, 2014 at 11:16 pm
I think there is a hefty amount of frauds marketing daygame. Many “gurus” are just trying to make money and fill their bootcamps. A lot of inexperienced guys think getting a girl to talk for a few minutes and getting a number means he successfully closed. A successful close is the p meeting the v. It’s not hard to walk around a big international city like London all day collecting phone numbers. All it takes is balls and time. It says nothing about their skills as a seducer. Put me down as one who thinks Yad is a fraud. His infield videos are painful to watch, but he’s a good marketer and shows many below average looking chodes with confidence problems what they want to see – an overweight, passive, effeminant squirrely looking guy without any sexuality using indirect game to punch above his weight class. Sasha also seems very dubious but at least there is sexual intent there and girls know why he’s talking to them. And he’s always hanging out with legit seducers like James Marshall, Liam McCrae, Alek Rolstad/Teevster ect.
In my opinion Steve Jabba, James Marshall and Jon Matrix are operating at a higher level than most others. Especially Jabba and Marshall. They’re dominant, emit confidence, are unreactive, and as Marshall would say “make no apologies for owning a cock”. Their years of experience with women are on full display in their infield vids. It wouldn’t surprise me if Jabba had a lay count of around 500.
Krauser, Good Looking Loser and Justin Wayne all seem pretty solid to me.