Ah, the memories of daygame bootcamps

June 29, 2012

I suppose of late I’ve come off sounding a little dismissive of daygame techniques, with all the talk I’ve given towards masculine development and frame. This isn’t representative. I think technique is very important for pretty much everyone who hasn’t already reached the pinnacle of manliness. It’s all well and good to say “be natural”, “be in the moment” and other such advice but it’s kinda like telling a boxer “just knock him out”. There’s the big question of how? It’s not until you’ve internalised the right way to do things that you can hit unconscious competence.

I’d also forgotten what it was like to be new to this stuff. That awe-inspiring sense of realising what’s possible, seeing coaches performing what looks like street magic in front of your disbelieving eyes. So when I was watching this Daygame.com documentary this morning, it all came flooding back.

There’s alot of guys out there who don’t really know what bootcamps are like, the actually nuts’n’bolts of what happens on the day, how it feels, how impactful the experience can be. This documentary puts you into the middle of it very effectively. They really are like this. I taught a couple of them with Tom and John last summer.

Note how timid and nervous the students are in the beginning, almost not daring to hope. Then the wide-eyed wonder when suddenly they are talking to hot girls and getting positive responses. See how they look up to the coaches and follow instructions then come back with beaming smiles after getting a girl’s number. Obviously this is a marketing video so it remains upbeat, glossing over the tough times such as the frustration when all the instant dates turn into flakes, the Day2s leading to snubbed kiss close attempts, the difficulty of dragging yourself into town to begin opening some days, all the self doubt. These students are so full of positivity they don’t realise how much further they have to travel to progress from “nice friendly five minute chat” to “banging pretty girls regularly”.

But fuck it, that is a character building journey in itself. Good luck guys, you’ve gotten off to a flying start.

It’s great marketing though, isn’t it? You can feel the camardarie develop over the weekend, see the guy’s demeanour shift as they come out of good sets, and there’s a few nice vignettes where John and Tom give really accurate on-the-fly technical advice. Both are good solid teachers which comes out well in the video. For example at 35:58 John gets it absolute bang-on correct and you can see the concentration and passion for teaching in his demeanour.

So worth watching if you’re new to this and a bit nervous about signing up for training, or an old hand whose lost a bit of love for the Game.


  1. “It’s all well and good to say “be natural”, “be in the moment” and other such advice but it’s kinda like telling a boxer “just knock him out”. ”


    technique technique technique.

    after the success of the rawness’s “reader email” essays, and his negative take on game, i feel like people are forgetting how important technique is when talking to women.

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  3. Interesting point about John at 35:58, could you explain why it’s so bad to cut across them? Never done it myself, but have been tempted to on occasion when I haven’t been able to fully kill their momentum. I seem to remember from your archives that you were given advice early on to do this as a way to get the girl to stop. [I assume you mean don’t cut across them after the initial stop, when they’ve made a motion to leave / not properly stopped. My early advice was probably 2+ years ago, when I was doing it wrong. The main reasons you don’t cut across is 1) she’s already quite flighty and stepping across is too aggressive 2) you want to subcommunicate non-neediness i.e. “I’m interested in you but if you walk away that’s ok”]

    Also, it was a pleasure to meet you a few weeks back when I somewhat accosted you on the street (was wearing a red polo). Out of curiosity, was Steve from seductioninlondon.com the big fella who was with you that day? Just got into his blog through your earlier post. Some pretty interesting/useful content on there. [I’ve been getting accosted a bit much lately so I’m afraid I can’t put a face to your description. It was probably Steve, I’ve been out with him a few times lately. K]

  4. This is true Nick but I think many guys are also getting turned over because they start out the wrong way and end up “gamey”..having to unlearn a bunch of bad habits before they can progress.

    One thing that pretty much all of them miss out on in focussing on technique (and they do focus on technique) is the element of sexual state. Most of them are afraid of women ffs.

  5. Nick, your post came in the right moment for me. It made a clear distinction in my mind about some of the components of Game – as for this post i’ll point two, I know for sure, there are more facets -, which are: Pick-up Techniques & Innergame/frame/masculine developing.

    That said, I`ve been concetrating my efforts heavy in the innergame facet of Game, with little practice, like going out in the open field to slay some poon.

    I’m not saying that reading what i’ve been reading was bad, like

    *Ayn Rand Mastodon books (D’Anconia and Howard Roark are effigies of solid, unshakeable frame)
    *Napoleon Bio (although bad in game, was the Master of War)
    *The Doors bio
    *Jack Kerouac’s On The Road (good example of not giving a flying f*ck to what others think of you and your mood)
    *Heavy on blog reading.

    The list goes on, and i’ll not bother you with the details.

    With that lot of reading and introspection i became too much self-conscious person, and been rationalising things i wasn’t supposed to: body language and deciding on openers, etc. It made me out of balance, biased to inner game, instead of keep balance with outer game.

    Your post – and following video – came as a refreshing, sweet, drink for me. It should help a lot.


  6. The students were relatively young and handsome, so I didn’t find it inspirational. On the other hand, Krauser’s infields are most definitely inspirational, for me at least. 🙂

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