I bang my first 31 year old Swiss ballerina

February 12, 2013

Already I can hear a collective sharp intake of breath throughout the manosphere. Thirty one! I guess this post will be equal parts lay report and mea culpa.

As my long-suffering readership is aware I have been easing my way back into the life of London daygame. Cold, wet, miserable but I feel the nagging pull to get some girls on the go and add a few notches. It’s gone well. The streets are not exactly brimming with flange but if you stay out long enough and look hard enough there’s usually enough girls to make it worth the effort. Land Of The Tens it isn’t. More like Village Of The Sevens. Round about my third day out I spot the usual target walking past the National Portrait Gallery. My assumption stack bombs horribly but that’s the point of the stack… you just transition off her answers no matter how wrong you were.

Me: Hi. I want to tell you something. I just noticed you walking up there and thought you look cute. Very Polish.

Her: I’m Swiss.

Me: Perhaps, but you look Polish. I think its the light skin, wide eyes, and neat clothes. You look like a Polish librarian. A cute one.

Her: Yes. But I’m Swiss.

Me: Then that means…. you like….. mountains…. chocolate…. and collecting Nazi gold.

Her: Haha (etc)…..

Did I ever tell you the reason to assumption stack? In the beginning you both have nothing to talk about so you have to create something out of nothing. The whole point is to get into a conversation – find a subject to talk about. Naturally you’ll talk about her because that’s what you’re interested in. So you make an assumption (I recommend her nationality) and then tell her three reasons why based on three things you can see. Make the last one a light tease to show a little backbone, a little push to perk up her interest.

I've never been, but I imagine it's...

I’ve never been, but I imagine it’s…

If your assumption gets any traction at all, no matter if you were right or wrong, stick with it. Use that as the topic. Many guys get too excited about their creativity and keep making new assumptions like they’re Derren Brown. No no no. You aren’t trying to impress her, you are trying to get into a conversation with her. Less is more. Once you’ve got her real nationality its easy to then list three things you “heard” about her country… make them borderline racist stereotypes.

  • Romanian: In my mind its full of towering mountains, vampires and gypsies
  • Russian: I think of Russia being all snow, vodka and KGB
  • Brazilian: I imagine Brazil as one long beach where everyone drinks Caprianhas and plays football.

Just stick with the first stereotypes that come into your head. So long as you deliver it with a playful smirk and drag it out slowly then she’ll laugh. If you’re stuck, go to the Emergency Krauser Stack:

My mum told me to be careful of girls from [country]. She said three things. They are all beautiful…. good cooks…. and sex maniacs.

So back to the story. She’s very shy and demure which I like. After ten minutes or so the hook feels good but she seems to lack any real flirting ability. The whole thing feels a bit flat. Nonetheless I bounce her across the road to a pub where we chat for an hour or so. She’s new in town, just here for a couple of weeks to find a university. The spark isn’t there. I just can’t read her interest levels. I seriously think she’s too oblivious to realise what’s going on and I’m on only my second instant date of the year and very rusty. I take a number thinking I may have dropped the ball. Sometimes you just never know. Still waters run deep. This girl is very shy and thoughtful, kinda mousy. She’s into reading, ballet, and gives me classic introvert answers to my probing. She must’ve hooked strong as I discover during the texting. I’ll give an entire transcript so you can see how I’m able to turn it around and get the frame right. I see lots of bad text game in blog comments.

In front of Top Shop, 7pm

In front of Top Shop, 7pm

Me: So this is my cute new Swiss friend… it was a pleasure [Remember this is a “nice girl” from an idate that had little spark. It’s important to be the same guy in texts as you were in person. I start soft with the aim of gradually ramping it up]

Her: It was a pleasure for me too, thank you. How are you, cheeky Englishman? [Good sign]

Me: Good morning! I’m having coffee while I look at all the snow in my garden. How are you? [A ping text. Give a little window into your life]

Her: Hello! That sounds very relaxed.. I am in the Shakespeare Globe and recovering my slight cold… are you interested in visiting the theatre for a play? [An invitation. I don’t want to go to the theatre, that’s all wrong for a date. Wrong activity and in her frame. I don’t like theatre. I shall have to refuse.]

Me: I’m more of a movie person. Take care of yourself with that cold. I want you looking your prettiest when we meet! [Making it clear that it’ll be a date, not friends.]

Me: Hey crazy. I made a snowman today. [Ping text I sent to four girls the next day]

Her: We will see, how I will fulfill your desire.. I think being healthy is sufficient for our appointment. Are you in the city next week? [Keen]

Me: Young lady, I’m sure we shall have the pleasure of each other’s company this week. What is your eta for a full recovery… Tuesday? [She’s letting me take the frame now]

Her: Good evening, how do you do? London is really exciting. There is sooo much to discover, incredible.. should we meet each other this week once? It would be a pleasure. [Keen]

Me: Hey 🙂 I’m quite busy this week, but Thursday evening is good. 8pm?

Me: I just bought a black biker jacket. I’m now officially a bad boy! [No reply to my invite so I leave it two days and ping with this]

Her: Hi Nick, you scared me a 2nd time! 😉 bad boy, good girl. Did you receive my message?

Me: Hey. I never got a message. What was it?

Her: Really? I asked if you have a time to meet each other once… do you?

Me: I replied. I can meet you Friday [Logistics]

Her: What about Saturday? Would it be also possible?

Me: Hmmm.. Will you wear your prettiest dress and brightest smile? [Restate the frame that its a date and I expect her to play into it]

Her: Almost surely 🙂 I’ve a new haircut! [Frame accepted]

Me: I look forward to messing it up with my hands 😀 Saturday, 7pm, Oxford Circus

Her: I warn you. Cool, Sat 7 at tube station

I then completely forget about the date. I gatecrash one of Tom and Jon’s bootcamps and chatting to them on the walk back to the Daygame HQ when I realise I’m supposed to meet this bird in half an hour. Oops. So I throw out a ping to check its on. I’m not much fussed about it having already got laid two days earlier with the Colombian.

Me: Hey, you good?

Her: Yes, c u at 7

Me: Cool. And no mischief, girl!

Imagine this as a 7, partially obscured with my hairy arse

Imagine this as a 7, partially obscured with my hairy arse

Once I meet her it goes more or less the same as my last two girls. A drink in a normal pub, walk her to a darker bar. This time she’s hungry so we stop off at a Chinese fusion place. She’s difficult with kino so except for the usual hair-touching I focus on the verbals. Generalised sex talk, laying the man vibe on her etc. Then in the second pub I pull her in to kiss. Finally she loosens up. Her eyes spazz, she becomes touchy-feelly, her knees touch mine constantly… I start to think maybe I can take her home. I remember writing these texts to Bhodi while I was on the date, because he often gets stuck in date escalation so I wanted him to get a window into how I think during a date:

[Just before the date] Me: She’s well into me, very shy, and goes back to Switzerland next week…. Hmmmmm…

Him: Fuck. I wanted to play Black Ops 2

[An hour in] Me: This one s awkward as hell. She wants it and I like her, but she has huge nerd barriers. Haven’t kissed yet.

Him: Just get her back, whatever the excuse, then try it on. Once she’s thru the door the chances of fucking go up astronomically

Me: True. Gonna take the leap regardless

[Two hours in] Me: K close but still tough

Him: Unless its a def second date then just go all out

[Three hours in] Me: I had an Its On Moment and 3 cabs stolen under my nose….

Him: agh

We are walking up Tottenham Court Road while I blab on about finding another pub while keeping my eye out for a cab to hustle her into. None show up. The world is against me. Somehow I persuade her to get the tube back to mine and then a bus up the bank. It’s all about leading and brass-necking my way until she’s in my room with her shoes off.

Then it’s an hour of pretty real LMR and I send Bhodi the +1 text. Really nice tight slim body. She looks good when I’m fucking her. Proof of lay.


  1. Excellent. You had the following going for you-

    New to city
    Now staying long (vacation sex)
    You held and maintained frame.
    You were bold and assertive. Textbook.

    Good on you. Stay up.

  2. You don’t post enough. Your insights and commentary on the nuances of this stuff are unparalelled. CH and RM etc…. they talk about the big picture mostly and that’s important but the moment to moment exchanges are what happens on the ground and where deals are also made or broken and you do it best. Your little warnings about where you go a bit awry and where the pitfalls for others often are, the play by play analysis, the text exchanges (also with commentary) – fantastic. Just the one tip when she plays what I have experienced many times

    “Are you in the city next week? [Keen]

    Me: Young lady, I’m sure we shall have the pleasure of each other’s company this week”

    RIght there was almost a test – she is putting a little carrot waaaay out there and you were totally seizing the frame, in effect: “I’m not running that far after that carrot, too much time. I’m going to come right over and grab that carrot out of your hand”. The “Im sure we shall have the pleasure of each other’s company this week” was brilliant and one I shall use.
    Your videos too….no more slacking off – get on the plane and get in the field. Roosh is getting tired but probably he needs a long vacation with a lovely girl in a lovely place and another approach to what’s happening in the sphere.” [Thanks fella. Always good to know guys are getting some value from my posts. K]

  3. This has been my experience everywhere. Girls with established social circles are generally much harder to bag than those without. Many of my lays have been girls who had limited social exposure (perhaps had only one or two friends) or didn’t have friends at all. These were cool chicks, but for one reason or another, they just didn’t seem to have friends.

    I’ve only once laid a super popular chick with tons of friends and that was (unsurprisingly) – through a social circle! I’ve found that it’s next to impossible to lay Facebook junkies with thousands of friends if no one is vouching for you… just forget about it.

    Also, it’s always easier to lay foreign chicks than locals, especially if you’re a local yourself. When one of you is foreign or when she is in a foreign environment, a lot of social rules as to what is acceptable and what isn’t tend to go out the window. This is why expats find it easier to get laid no matter where they are, why European guys get laid more in the US, why American guys get laid more in Europe etc. It’s the foreign factor. Some of the most successful players are guys who target a certain foreign demographic or move abroad themselves.

    My opinion is that you need much more “alpha capital” to lay a local chick if you’re a local yourself, whereas a foreign guy can get away with a lot of shortcomings because they either get lost in translation or they are purposely overlooked.

    Over here, I still can’t lay popular 10s, even though I’m actually more of a man than many of their chode friends and boyfriends are. It’s just the way it is.

  4. Great report. I’ve used your pattern/structure with huge success.

    As for the 31….I’m now banging a 34 yr old HK ballerina. Smoking body and mental in bed. While she’s a big clingy and needy, the fact she cleaned my apartment and cooked for me after I banged her senseless was a pretty good trade off. It’s trasitioning into a Medium or Long TR….I’m ok with that having banged 11 girls last year. I’ll give it a try.

    On the age thing, I’m on the fence….i banged a series of under 20’s and they were cool.

    I also banged a few 32+’s with smoking bodies who took care of themselves and were up for anything.

    I’m not sure whether there’s any merit in the age thing if they take good care of themselves and are cool to hang with.

    • How old are you? I’m guessing upper 30’s? In that case it’s pretty impressive to have a series of under 20’s. I’m trying to unlock that demographic: not easy

      • I’m late 40’s…in shape. successful. But was “greater beta” until I understood game. Now I’m meeting girls who want to cook for me, clean my place, hang out. The hard part for me is framing this as me setting the agenda rather than simply going along because it’s easy. These women get possessive and jealous quickly.

        They are all professional, smart, 7+

        One big learning I got from Krauser’s blog is that by creating the “I’m a man, you’re a woman” frame, they somehow feel freer to be more sexual. This is a personal observation.

    • late 40s and still kicking? Do you have to take the little blue pill or is it all natural? [Younger hotter tighter is nature’s viagra. K.]

  5. One question….
    Her: Hello! That sounds very relaxed.. I am in the Shakespeare Globe and recovering my slight cold… are you interested in visiting the theatre for a play? [An invitation. I don’t want to go to the theatre, that’s all wrong for a date. Wrong activity and in her frame. I don’t like theatre. I shall have to refuse.]

    Any rules/thoughts on girls asking you to do stuff?

    A few girls I started banging suggested drinks, meeting up or coming over. Depending on logistics and my mood I would say yes.

    It had never occurred to me they’re inviting themselves over or suggesting an activity would be some loss of frame or sign of beta on my part.

    Thoughts? [Don’t travel further to meet than she has too. Don’t agree to an activity you won’t enjoy. Don’t agree to her plan without giving her a few hoops. The big exception is if her suggestion simplifies logistics (e.g. she invites you to her place or very close to it). Like all rules, they are just a guide. K.]

    • It’s better for you to set the date, you’re in control after and you decide what’s going to happen. I don’t think it matters too much with repeat lays as long as it’s just sex.

    • Krauser

      Nice one and same for you Wala. I’m going to take into account that above guide, as I’ve on many occasions come into London from Essex (daygame meets), with little results and pretty shit logistics- though criticism could come to me by not shifting to a bathroom, hotel etc. Is Essex a disadvantage for London/foreign girls?

  6. I’m living in japan right now and where I live , (not in Tokyo) no one speaks English. So I use Japanese. How should I tease? Just say in Japanese “you look Korean…..” 韓国人に見えますね” Kinda confused about how to do this all in Japanese.

    • In Japanese I use phrases like “Nihon Jin Deska?” to obviously Japanese girls…They crack up.

      Also, you can put “Chotto” in front of everything….”Chotto atsui…” “chotto samui”…girls will always laugh and start chatting with you…

  7. [Thanks fella. Always good to know guys are getting some value from my posts. K]


    your posts are fucking gold. the entire blog. no one else gives all the actual details and all the process and all the real life strategy that goes into it. just like at HBS they teach using the case method, game should also be taught using the case method. they used to call them field reports. that is how game was invented. with real up close, detailed analysis of field reports — what the hell happened to that? big picture, abstract concept are great, but i guess game has gone way too much “inner game” and has lost the “outer game” field reports which really teach the thinking and the strategy.

    i know i am repeating myself by this point but i think this is a huge issue. you know what helps inner game? GETTING LAID HELPS INNER GAME. we all need external reinforcement of our values. outer game can create inner game. yeah, it all “begins in the mind” like roissy says, but shit, getting pussy helps me believe in myself too.

    keep it up, nick. you are a huge inspiration, especially in this long winter, where i just want to stay indoors, knowing that you are out there working it, and SUCCEEDING, that shit is inspiring — inspiring in that abstract, makes me get pumped up way — and also inspiring in that, aha this is how he does it! way — details, details, details.


    • Yeah I could not agree more. There are a set of problems that present themselves on a pretty regular basis. It really helps to know how to handle them and to handle them correctly while keeping the frame. They can help bring your game grade in any given performance from a ‘C’ to a ‘B’ and from a ‘B’ to an ‘A’ and can easily make the difference between getting laid and not in any given interaction. I highlight again the following when a girl implied that it seemed that the present week might not work for meeting but was expressing interest:

      “Are you in the city next week? [Keen]

      Me: Young lady, I’m sure we shall have the pleasure of each other’s company this week”

      I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been faced with that and worried that if I pressed for a meeting before ‘next week’ I’d appear too eager. Now there are a lot of ways to handle that – act casual and go with her plan – has its merits as it communicates high value that you’re busy too. But seizing the frame that way is gold. It’s like “I’m running this show and it’s gonna be like this….”

  8. Nice illustration of your overall basic method. Thanks for sharing.

    Your girls keep getting older though, hope you start landing some (legal) teenagers soon:)

    Dan made a good point, it does seem like tourists and newcomers are the bread-and-butter of these lays. I guess living in London that’s fine as it has lots of them and the locals tend not to be top shelf, but I’m curious about any general ideas you have of whether in some way you have to game popular hotties differently, or it’s just harder, or impossible?

    Thanks. Keep up the great blog.

  9. God, I bet having to engage her forebrain that entire train and bus ride must have been a bit of an effort. And you should have no doubt that your posts are value. Also, these girls who don’t know how to flirt can be real puzzling, but I guess if she’s trying to leave, she’s interested, so you gotta press on until it’s fuck or walk.

  10. Date stamp on the proof of lay video is 2007…??

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