Scaling the heights – A guest post from Steve Jabba

August 9, 2013
krauserpua

During my early twenties I followed boxing. Like all things I do I threw myself into it both in the training (action) and in watching and reading about it (theory). I’d buy the major monthly magazines such as Ring and KO, read the weekly Boxing News, and tape trade to get the latest fights.

Barkely, before enjoying his decline

Barkely, before enjoying his decline

One thing that always fascinated me was reading about the champions who derail their own lives and careers. Guys like Iran Barkley who was still functioning as a human punchbag into his early forties, unable to step away from the familiar sounds and smells of the gym and the glare of the ring lights. Guys like James Toney who could dazzle in winning a title and then need a gift decision to hand onto it against a journeyman with only a fraction of his talent. As Toney’s old trainer once said:

“Once James became champion he forgot everything that got him there.”

What is the psychological quirk in some high achievers that causes them to abandon a lifetime of struggle and dedicated work once they reach their goal? What does it feel like to dedicate twenty years to an Olympic dream and then finally stand on the podium to be awarded gold….. and mostly importantly, how does it feel the next morning when you shuffle into your bathroom in your boxer shorts to clean your teeth and see the gold medal lying on your table?

What happens when we achieve the goals we dedicated our lives to? We are standing on the top of Everest looking down. There are no higher summits left to scale. We’ve done it. What then?

Let me tell you about notch #176

Let me tell you about notch #176

Having dredged the PUA swamp for Vince Kelvin I thought we’d go to the other end of the spectrum and look at a man who has achieved every wannabe player’s dream. He’s accumulated the notch count. He’s reached the upper tier of quality. What happens then? So let’s turn it over to Steve Jabba……

Nick asked me to write this post, so here we are.

Scaling the heights : traversing the upper levels of PUA DOM. For the numbers oriented amongst you this means stuff like:

  • Meeting and shagging girls within 40 minutes on a train (well it could be 43 minutes or less depending on the prevailing track conditions, wind speed etc). That ticks the box for speed seduction.
  • Shagging 5 girls in a week from cold approach (multiple times) – low approaches/ result ratio
  • Shagging 3 girls from one night out within a week, having met them all in the same venue – low approaches / results – nightgame
  • Shagging 2 girls from 1.5 hour of daygame, 6 approaches, both hot girls, low approach / result ratio from daygame (publically available and peer reviewed evidence was posted on the LSS about 4 years ago for the REAL sticklers / doubting Thomas’s (yes I have seen your comments on Nicks blog) It doesn’t exist anymore so don’t bother looking
  • Shagging very very hot girls indeed – the elusive 8-10’s that everyone talks about but virtually none can deliver – High quality
The 5:15 from Milton Keynes

The 5:15 from Milton Keynes

So how does it feel to be in this situation? What’s changed?

When I first found out about this stuff, I was something of a legend in my own mind. HA. A few close friends from my home town knew me as a guy who DID get results but also worked hard for it. From my own recollection I was plagued with social anxiety, depression and generally feeling like a square peg in a round hole.

Now, 8 years later, here I am:

  • No social anxiety and a strategy for cutting depression off at the knees before it is allowed to develop. No real depressive interludes for 5 years now. I attribute this to persistence and hard work, but “game” was the unrelenting magnifying glass that FORCED me to figure this out. It’s hard to pull AND sustain a relationship if you are insecure and depressed, like I used to be.
  • Complete absence of jealousy / worry about where I am on the totem pole vis a vis… Everything. It started off about 4 years ago that I had core confidence – i.e. unshakable belief in my abilities with women. Now I am pleased to say this feeling has spread to other areas of my life.In other words, I am very biased towards feeling internally validated. Happy in my own skin, not needing approval off others, no nasty doubting myself internal dialogue. This wasn’t always the case.
  • I feel a little sorry for the headless chickens who don’t have this bias i.e. they are playing someone else’s game. Worrying about their peers, where they fit in, what car they drive, worry what their friends think, etc. They are playing by someone else’s rules. What rubbish! Judge yourself by your own yardstick. Generally feeling content in my life – just liking myself. High self esteem.
  • I have a little compartment of my mind called “women” and that part is marked “FIXED”. I’m more interested in other areas now – making money and general personal growth and managing getting older. I am WELL aware that I am nearing 38 years of age and physical decline will come. It hasn’t started – yet – but I know it is inevitable..I believe I have the right mindset in place to cope with this. The last thing I want to become is a sad reflection of my former self, reliving old glories.I want to age with dignity and still preserve what I have, as much as possible.
  • Increased ability to sustain a monogamous relationship. 6-7 years ago I just couldn’t do it – I had a genuine fear of commitment. Recognise this? I’m closer now than ever to being able to “hang up my boots” and say – right, I will give this relationship a go…Closer, but not totally there. Either way, it’s big progress for me ( I use the word progress advisedly).

Re women: I am much less active than I used to be. It takes really high quality girls to make me even be arsed to do anything. I approach maybe 1 or 2 a month, right now. Often nothing. I am still at my peak, I just don’t use it anymore and have far less inclination / motivation to do so.

Let me expand on this a little more…I still have love for this stuff. Beauty still moves me. When I get the chance, and I’m in a roomful of beautiful women I “switch on” …Nothing makes me feel more alive than doing my thing in these kind of situations. Now I have the maturity to be able to pull out my “best game” around the very hottest of women…It’s a motivator, rather than making me nervous / tongue tied, whatever.

Quality, yesterday

Quality, yesterday

The high standards were always there but what’s changed is probably 2 things:

  1. I feel I have nothing to prove to anyone, so the racking up the numbers drive is completely absent now
  2. I feel like I have put in my time. On some level I feel tired of having to spend time in having to go out, cold approach.

It’s time for something new, so right now I am actually strategising towards building a different kind of game – less reliant on cold approach. I’m aiming to build an ecosystem whereby very beautiful women come into my life by using

  1. My inherent value as a man which i’ve built up over all my time on earth. Note this isNo1. Without this, nothing fucking works. It’s the BASIS of everything else. Entourage game / social circle game junkies looking for a hack – take note!!
  2. Intelligent deployment of resources to make it easier and more convenient to access these kind of women. ( I have to get the resources first, of course. Attempting to build a passive income stream to facilitate this)
  3. A well chosen location to live. London is not ideal, by the way. And no, I am not going to tell you where this is. I put my time in travelling as Nick has done. You must do the same!

The only remaining personality “issue” that I have is a very strong sense of entitlement. When I drink alcohol this comes to the fore and I can be quite unpleasant to be around…But it is this strong sense of entitlement that has driven me to where I want to be with women, and is now responsible for propelling me towards making a lot of money, so I am not sure that I do want to tone it down. (Incidentally, I was advised to do this by a CBT therapist and tried..But failed.)

Over the years I’ve leaned more towards a white knight mindset. I do recognise that I have perhaps gone a little too far..I take on too much responsibility for looking out for girls, worrying about hurting them, to my own detriment and health…It never used to be this way. I’ve actually found recently that there are signs that girls now look up to me – almost like a father figure.

Let me expand on this…I think I see girls in a more “pure” way now….I still desire and love them, of course..Always have done. But I recognise how fragile they are too. The “power” that they supposedly have doesn’t intimidate me, and I actually cheer for them when I see them revelling in it. A little wry smile appears. Girls are supposed to be coquettes sometimes, and tease boys…So I don’t get resentful and think” bitches”….I think this is the natural order of things. It’s their feminine essence.

Recognising this, I am also able to screen far more effectively and quicker than before. On the rare occasions that I see it, I now know when a girl is being a cunt. I can recognise a genuine cunt from a girl who is just reacting based on insecurity, feminine pride, etc. It’s not my job to help the cunts, all I can do is remove myself and screen them out. It works beautifully well.

This has the knock on effect where I become somewhat enraged when I see misogyny in action – in real life and in the so called “manosphere”. It should be renamed “littleboyosphere” in my view. I think that if you have these kind of views, you’re not doing well with women, period. (Though I must confess I hardly ever bother reading or watching anyone else’s stuff. Zero interest).

Those are the internal qualities. I’m writing this post stream of consciousness so you may find it interesting that I’ve always thought this way : i.e. how does this relate to ME. Solipsism in action.

So there we go. If you do well with women you become a smug, self satisfied, arrogantmonster who thinks everyone else is a muppet! What could be more compelling than that – get cracking!

37 Comments

  1. Reblogged this on aneroidocean and commented:
    I really like the inner game/confidence references in this. I want to get to this point, the unshakeable self-confidence/self-worth, measuring myself by my own yardstick and nobody else’s. Neat.

  2. Great, great, great post. Really resonates with me on an inner game level – you become 100% comfortable with who you are and are much better equipped to deal with adversity as a result.

  3. If you write a biography..I promise I buy your book….
    Inspiring ….
    Your greek friend!!! [Hey chief, long time no see. K.]

  4. Great post Steve

    Roosh said something to effect that for beautiful women these days a Man has to distinguish himself within the “first 2 minutes” of conversation. Or she moves on

    Would you agree with this? And if so what is this distinguishing factor in your view.

    Is it basically strong masculinity? Strong presence? Strong intent? No fear of her

  5. Never heard of this guy. Then again, if it wasn’t for Nova (real made men), I would have never have found you, K. You Statham looking fucker

    I just watched Jabba’s “mindset and beliefs” video on YouTube. Very intelligent

  6. So you see the need for “game” as represented by those who take action – Krauser, Yad, Tom, Jon, You etc., but find browsing through theoretical “manosphere” blogs rather detrimental? Are there any manosphere sources you consider valuable?

  7. The article was intereting…right up to this point –
    “This has the knock on effect where I become somewhat enraged when I see misogyny in action – in real life and in the so called “manosphere”. It should be renamed “littleboyosphere” in my view. I think that if you have these kind of views, you’re not doing well with women, period. (Though I must confess I hardly ever bother reading or watching anyone else’s stuff. Zero interest).”

    There’s just something…very off about that.

    • Why? That’s exactly what resonated with me the most. Most of manosphere has that underlying vibe of hate, which then affects your approaches in a negative way. Yeah, sure, the girl needs to know that you “get it”, but at the same time subconsciously hating women shines through and doesn’t help.

      • That’s not what it is. I have no problem with the concept you described, I agree with what you wrote, but that’s a different topic.

        There’s just something about it. First the word “misogyny”. It’s a word from feminism…it seems to me like the same as men who say things like “women are definitely smarter than men” or “yeah, mean are idiots compared to compared to wome”. There’s plenty of other words – bitterness, anger, or just calling it women-hating. Whatever. “misogyny” is term from feminism, using it is agreeing with their definition of it.

        Second, he’s writing an article in the “manosphere”. Then he goes on more with the feminism shaming of guys writing blogs with “littleboyosphere”. Then he says anyone who believe in the manosphere is not doing well with women…though he’s writing an article in the manosphere. Then he does the whole “I don’t even read that kind of stuff that I’m writing myself” thing, well which is it – does he think it’s full of crap, or does it not interested him to read it?

        He’s like that nerd who’s *at* a star trek convention, who’s claiming that only loser guys go to start trek conventions, and he doesn’t actually go to them anyways…he says as he’s holding a batleth.

        Don’t get me wrong, women love self-contradictory douchebags. I’m not saying he’s not getting laid, I’m saying in one comment he tries to pretend he doesn’t read it while also claiming to know enough about it to belittle people in it – while writing an article in the manosphere himself. Actually, even all of this I would see as par for the course if it wasn’t for the “let’s parrot back feminism stuff” aspect.

        You know what he sounds like? The Vox Lambda –
        http://alphagameplan.blogspot.ch/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html [Lamda = gay. How could you miss that? K.]

    • he’s right, brother. most people who knock feminism in the “manosphere” have no clue what they’re even knocking. for them, feminism is the girl that rejected them last night at the pub. there’s a lot of feminist philosophy that’s been detrimental to society, but some of it has been good.

      and at the end of the day, making feminism a straw man or monolith and proceeding to whine about it isn’t helpful, nor is it alpha. the problem isn’t women – it’s us and our lack of game and masculinity. which is why we’re here, working on it!

    • Hey, I think you’re getting your panties in a bunch and disappearing up your own arse over nothing.

      Chill out dude! You’re over complicating it.

      I meant simply what I say :

      (i) I believe anyone who displays a woman hating / bitter / misogynistic attitude is not doing well with women. Otherwise they wouldn’t display said attitude.

      Notice how I used other words for misogyny?

      Also, you get out what you put in:

      http://www.authenticpua.com/dating-articles/you-get-out-what-you-put-in/

      (ii) I read very little other manosphere stuff. I did read some once or twice and disagreed with a good deal of it, so I stopped.

      It also relates back to what I said in the article. I’m happy where I am at, plus the woman part of my life is marked “fixed”. Hence I have no real interest in reading other people’s thoughts.
      I’m perfectly content with my “level”, if you will.

      Underlying this is the thought / idea that I don’t believe any writers in said manosphere could teach me anything anyway.

      Basically i’m just repeating what I said in the article with this comment.

      • “I believe anyone who displays a woman hating / bitter / misogynistic attitude is not doing well with women. Otherwise they wouldn’t display said attitude.”

        What does this mean exactly? That a man’s view of reality should be determined by how much pussy is being served to him?

      • If we aren’t at that level there are some sources that adhere to “description and explanation” like Rational Male, but those are rare.

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  9. so, who wrote this? jabba or krauser? i’m confused. and are we talking asbout jabba here or what?

    • I wrote it. That’s why it says guest post from steve jabba, and krauser “hands over” to me at the top of the article.

  10. “I think I see girls in a more “pure” way now….I still desire and love them, of course..Always have done. But I recognise how fragile they are too. The “power” that they supposedly have doesn’t intimidate me, and I actually cheer for them when I see them revelling in it. A little wry smile appears. Girls are supposed to be coquettes sometimes, and tease boys…So I don’t get resentful and think” bitches”….I think this is the natural order of things. It’s their feminine essence.”

    exactly. everything she does is cute and adorable. amused mastery.

  11. “strategy for cutting depression off at the knees” If possible please give explain how you accomplished this. As someone who has deals with depression at times I would be grateful for any insight you can give. Thanks.

  12. Really good article. This part, in particular, I agree with:

    “the so called “manosphere”. It should be renamed “littleboyosphere” in my view”

    I started reading the manosphere thinking it was the coolest thing ever – when I discovered it, I felt like a young boy at Christmas. Gradually, my opinion of it has turned sour. It is, by and large, a circle jerk of armchair alphas harbouring really negative views towards women. Look at Roosh – the bitterness and hate seeps through everything he writes. Rivelino pointed out that he once wrote that the true nature of women is ‘excrement’. How can you take someone like that seriously? I’m not saying he doesn’t get laid, that’s beside the point, I’m saying I’d rather get laid harbouring feelings of love for women – I genuinely want to be a lover of women – rather than some bitter angry twit on Twitter who hate fucks his way through a pile of skanks and spends his free time lamenting the fall of women and how bad they all are inside. Not to say there isn’t good info out there, just that you should take with a pinch of salt some of the attitudes that are thrown around. Some of the stuff written on the blogs and Twitters is breathtaking but it rarely goes challenged because all of the noobs are looking up to these people like demigods.

    This is why I like Steve – this article is like a breath of fresh air. He isn’t afraid to take on the establishment. His approach (literally) towards women is authenticity, masculinity, and he seems to care for women. None of this “you gotta be an ALPHAMALE!!!!! and disregard women, they’re all fat feminist skanks!” nonsense.

    Oh, and as for ‘misogyny’, you’re not agreeing with a feminist worldview just because you use the phrase… It simply means a hatred of women. It’s a legitimate concept, just like misandry is.

    “A well chosen location to live. London is not ideal, by the way. And no, I am not going to tell you where this is. I put my time in travelling as Nick has done. You must do the same!”

    I’m guessing this isn’t in Britain full stop?

    Cheers Steve.

    • “This is why I like Steve – this article is like a breath of fresh air.”

      GM i agree. i need to be careful, because i have a strong tendency to pedestalize girls, but definitely the answer is not to despise women and think they are almost subhuman.

      “Rivelino pointed out that he once wrote that the true nature of women is ‘excrement’. How can you take someone like that seriously?”

      exactly.

      here’s the full quote, and link. it’s from may of this year.

      “When the true nature of women became clear in my mind, I was deeply pained, because I realized that no matter where I go and what apparent girl I fall in love with, a certain environment or trigger will uncover the excrement hiding within my angel and she will then give me her worst without a second of hesitation or moral doubt.”

      it’s actually quite sad and painful to read. this man is hurting.

      http://www.rooshv.com/the-true-nature-of-women

      interesting i just noticed that in that post he *does* talk about falling in love, something he rarely talks about — i actually thought he had never mentioned it. he certainly didn’t mentioned love or intimacy in his infamous “ego sex” post.

      anyway, point of this isn’t roosh, but steve — as well as nick and tom and the entire daygame.com crew — and how they are so much more more polite, courteous, caring, and even loving of women.

      for example, if you look at the daygame.com FAQ, you will see this:

      “Daygame.com believes in an honest, humble and life-affirming path to meeting and attracting beautiful women in the day.”

      honest and humble and life affirming — love that.

      life is beautiful.

      girls are beautiful.

      i am beautiful.

  13. I really liked Steve’s article.
    A lot of what he said of his past pretty much resonated with me in a lot of ways.

    Throughout college and University, I’ve had girls ask me consistently whether I worked as a model and recently got confused as a Hollister shop assistant having gone there to check out the girls who are known to be hot due to being hand picked to work there and represent the company brand.

    But here I was, completely failing with girls, being passed off for guys who were more alpha than me and more masculine looking, which back at college were the type of guys who had shaved heads and hench looking. This was at the time where Vin Diesel was fresh off the scene in 2002.

    Looking back, I realised that I had a lot of self-esteem and complex issues because the things people said about me didn’t match up to my reality. The girls who would start out being attracted to me would eventually lose interest, so my reality was skewed and gave me a negative reinforcement, which was “A girl who likes me is a sign of disinterest” So I stopped trying and was severely depressed for years, not knowing what the issue was.

    It’s only until now, having found the community that it’s become crystal clear.

    Your self-worth and overall confidence is worth far more than anything you have as an exterior. How good looking you are, doesn’t amount to anything if you lack the fundamental attractive qualities that girls are looking for.

    As much as guys put down the community, it’s important to realise how crucial it is to know and understand it so as to become conscious of your development, which will ultimately help you grow and weed out bad habits about yourself.

    It’s still taking me a hell of a long time to move into my strength as a man (still only 29) which I suppose will naturally develop as I age like Steve has experienced. But I’m only now starting to see the true benefits of this versus going out and using pickup techniques.

    I’m able to get the same stats as Steve as far as approaching and getting numbers are concerned with only a few approaches, but have yet to get full closes from it consistently, which i suppose will come in time as I improve.

    But just to make it clear from my long response:

    While learning to become attractive is important, do not forget your aesthetics. It may not be helpful in the beginning, but will simply be icing on the cake once you’ve gotten your shit together.

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  15. I am WELL aware that I am nearing 38 years of age and physical decline will come. It hasn’t started – yet – but I know it is inevitable.

    Don’t worry Steve. I’ll gladly mail you some multivitamins.

    Always drink water!

    I feel I have nothing to prove to anyone, so the racking up the numbers drive is completely absent now

    I’m sure exstasy helps.

  16. “I don’t like the Manosphere”

    Any man who says this, if you look carefully is,

    1. A social “Liberal”. The Manosphere is
    certainly not this.

    Jabba himself says ” I took a look at it and disagreed with most of it so I stopped”

    2. If not a Liberal, it’s a guy otherwise clueless about real world issues socially, politically, etc. He therefore
    believes in the Default position the
    Cathedral pushes : Give Value man! Don’t hate! Be tolerant Man! Be cool!
    Money’s not everything, don’t be materialistic mate!

    On and on. If you buy into this stuff you will hate the Manosphere

    Steve Jabba obviously successful with women. Does not mean he is
    even competent on other subjects. It seems like his position in Manosphere is uninformed and overblown

    You have to divorce in your mind the “guy” from the thing you are looking for value for

    A savant in one thing can otherwise be a moron. Top guys in a field often, personally, have repulsive personalities.

    You have to learn from other Men – while taking things with a grain of salt, disregarding entire things they say, tolerating their idiosyncracies.

    My experience.

    • Sensible position mate.

      I never said I am an expert in the wider issues that the manosphere explores. I leave Nick to educate me on that!

      Said all I have to say on that really.

  17. ^ Above typo – Jabba ‘s position ON the Manosphere seems uninformed.

    He’s certainly a legitimate expert on Game – you can’t dispute it

    One more thing: about disregarding whole things a guy might say.

    Intellectual Mastery is a major key I’m seeing with girls. It was Krauser who I’m learning from on this.

    If you are actually a Liberal or otherwise Clueless about real world issues – #1 and # 2 above – how much Intellectual Mastery can you actually have?

  18. one of my best read.

  19. Just one point. Is the “pseudo-hate” of the manosphere-type web a highly flawed attempt to counter the tendency to pedestalize women. In other words seeing women in full and not as something magical and all special. And irrationally highlighting all negative behaviour as a result.

    Maybe Im too old for all this but having seen a couple of jabba’s videos I think authentic seems to sum him up well. I get the impression that it would be very good for social skills in general. Guy should probably get govt grant to work with young men to help them build their confidence. Won’t happen though cos anything PUA-like is seen as predatory. I bet feminist leaning people would hate that video where he goes 100% sexually open on street with woman and she’s like putty in his hand. No chat about career and blah de blah stuff.

  20. Krauser, I watched you recent video where you and Tom are in Belgrade, Serbia. You touched on it in the video briefly but can you comment some more on femininity/masculinity differences between people in Serbia vs. UK/US? You also mentioned hearing complaints from women… from these experiences or you observations what are the good and bad aspect of men in Serbia? What are the turn on’s for women and what are the turn off’s?

    Thanks (sorry if off topic a bit)

  21. Re: Roosh stepping away from Manosphere:

    I suggest the Elephant in the Room for Roosh is more the White Male stances on social/political issues,

    and less the fact of supposed women hating betas infiltrating the ranks.

    Roosh finds the former distasteful. Yet he is not in a position to get rid of any of it

    His star has also fallen since the arrival of certain bloggers. It seems like he’s been psychologically rattled by it.

    His own orientation towards women has been subtly questioned, and found wanting.

    This is the guy who recently referred to women as “excrement.” It seems Roosh is the one who is lost, unfortunately – not exactly the Manosphere. [I don't agree with everything Roosh writes but I think he's right on this one in a big way. I remember back when Susan Walsh/HUS came up and suddenly many manosphere bloggers were referring to her in posts and debating her in her comments section. The whole time I was just thinking "why on earth would anyone take a woman seriously on this topic? might as well as a dog or a child" so I refrained from the whole thing. Also I got to watch the Lady Raine / Roissy debacle. Every time a woman elbows into a male space she destroys it. RedPillRoom had an excellent serious of posts a year ago about exactly this (see his Swingset posts). If you want to learn to hunt ask the predator not the prey. I don't mind women talking about redpill stuff in their own spaces but they are a value-destroyer in male spaces. No girls in my treehouse. So I'm fully with Roosh on this point. It's got nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with protecting male space to protect the intellectual progress of the manosphere. The second half of the equation is all the losers, gimps and kitchen bitches now blogging. The manosphere is full of pretenders who run their mouth without proving they go out into the field and at least try to fuck new girls. Roosh doesn't post evidence of success to gauge his abilities but he definitely approaches (I've seen him do it with my own eyes a couple of times, for what its worth). Same with someone like Tom Torero. The game is learned in field. If you aren't infield regularly you've got little to add on the subject. Pretty much 90% of what I read about women and game in the manosphere is either complete rubbish or just recycled from someone else who is doing it better. There's rare outliers like Rollo and Vox who don't pick up women but have real theoretical insight. But they are the tiny minority.

    I think it's totally reasonable for Roosh to say "I've spent years building my platform on the foundations of male-only and infield-only and now I'm going to strictly enforce it". Good on him. It's all well and good to say all the unwelcome female and unproven male voices have a right to speak but they don't have a right to elbow onto someone else's platform and they seriously retard the progress of manosphere readers by reducing the signal-to-noise ratio. K.]

  22. You’re a legit, honest and good man, Steven.
    Thanks for that:)

  23. “I have a little compartment of my mind called “women” and that part is marked “FIXED”.”

    “Increased ability to sustain a monogamous relationship. 6-7 years ago I just couldn’t do it – I had a genuine fear of commitment.”

    “It takes really high quality girls to make me even be arsed to do anything.”

    -> Exactly the same situation here. My numbers are slightly lower, but the conclusions remain. As the compartment called “women” is ticked that allows me to push full on with my other passions and purpose in life. Which in turn only makes the box that much more ticked.

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  25. I think there are two sides to this whole “misogyny” thing:

    1) Aristotle listed two vices when it comes to that, misogyny and philogyny, he thought that both excessive hate and excessive love of women were diseases of the soul.

    It is very easy to be called a misogynist in a basically gynolatric society, just do not defer to women.

    2) Misogyny is actually the more mature position, if compared to the fairy tale the average ,man has in his head when it comes to women.

    The only problem a misogynist really has is that he sees women as defective men, once he stops doing that he might be considered a raging sexist by some, but he does no longer hate women.

    So, of course the manosphere is full of misogyny, not only because is it a necessary part of the process, it also fuels the process of unplugging.

    I would go as far that I am having a hard time trusting a man who has not gone through a hardcore misogynist phase, though there admittedly must be some who never had that many illusions to begin with.

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