I bang my first 29 year old Lithuanian office girl

April 29, 2013
krauserpua

I’ve been corralled onto a short FSU tour by the indefatigable Tom Torero. We’d been chatting over beer in London around the time of our Long Game podcast and I’d lamented how my usual gang have all been indisposed with full-time jobs that inhibit their travel. Well, seems the Welshman was planning his own trip and thus I came on board.

The street stop, actual

The street stop, actual

My first stop is Vilnius where I catch up with a couple of girls I’ve been seeing on and off for over a year. The streets are reasonably busy and my street stops hit quite well. Outside McDonalds I spot a greyhound and dive in. She hooks strong, giggling and giving me the “just thrilled to be here” giddy look. As I’m taking the number Tom is observing and later tells me she had a dreamy expression like her Prince Charming had arrived. Text game is easy as I play chode game:

Me: Hi. It was a pleasure to meet you :) Are you always so friendly to strangers?

Her: It is a national trait :)

Me: I’ve been exploring. Parks and wide public squares. Very Russian!

Me: Good morning :) It’s another great day! How are you?

Her: Morning! I’m fine. I’m going to build exhibition. Have a good day :)

Me: Thanks

Me: I walked so much my head is sunburned, like a tomato :/

Her: I also walked a lot today. But my head looks good :)

Me: I like this city. It’s very calm and clean. I’ve already found some good bars

Her: Yes, it’s calm. Your phone will go home with you :) [a callback reference to when I told her I was robbed in Brazil] Which bars do you like?

Me: There’s a secret bar I want to show you. It has a James Bond theme

Her: I am happy to meet with Mr Bond :) Maybe this evening?

Me: Hmmm… Will you dress like a Bond girl?

Her: You mean, evening dress, long hair and sexy lingerie? I have only the third :)

Me: Put some clothes over your lingerie, it’s a nice place! :) 6pm, outside the town hall

Her: Ok. I’ll be there.

With the benefit of hindsight this set was more on than I realised. That reference to lingerie was her sexualising and her volunteering meeting soon shows keeness. But I knew I had a couple of days left before the next stop so I didn’t push it as hard as I could’ve. Watch for these little tells in a girls texts or conversation, little slips that let you know she’s up for it without much more preamble. Game can be boiled down to one long compliance test where the beginning is “hello” and the end is sex. Game is only required when she’s not complying. For as long as she’s letting you lead her towards the bedroom you needn’t put on your PUA wizard hat and overgame the set.

Tip: Late 20s / early 30s FSU women are the best prospects for fast holiday lays. Being FSU they are still slim, pretty and well-dressed but they are also more sexually open, more decisive, and more accepting that they can’t boyfriend you by holding out. They can already feel themselves losing the competition against their younger rivals so they’ll latch onto your value much much quicker.

She turns up to the date in a union jack t-shirt that can barely contain her breasts. We sit across a table then I run the Date Model. Everything hits. She’s cooperating to move it along fast so that within twenty minutes I just lean across the table and kiss her. Then I tell her to come around my side of the booth and we make out. It’s on. I could’ve pulled the trigger here but didn’t. After an hour mixing the usual rapport and spikes I let her go. We agree to meet the next night at 6pm

Age it to 29

Age it to 29

At 6:05 she texts “five minutes!” At 6:15 I leave and go to a nearby bar. At 6:30 she calls asking where I am. I tell her. I’m pissed off. It’s not an act. I really don’t want to fuck her now. She senses this on arrival and for ten minutes I’m frosty and she’s pawing at me desperately, sensing she might not get her lay. Finally I tell her its ok and lets just get a bottle of wine. She agrees.

So we get some wine, walk the five minutes to my apartment. I give her the decency of pouring the wine and putting on some music before I make my move. She’s so hot for it that she’s grabbing at my belt within a minute. No LMR to deal with. I just carry her to the bedroom and have my wicked way. A very easy lay. In her 21yr old prime this girl would’ve turned heads on the street, a low nine. The intervening years dropped a point and robbed her skin of the springy quality that turns men into slavvering animals. But a good lay.

Learning points

  • Try to read a girl’s “go” signals. If she’s thrilled on the stop, cooperates strongly on setting up a date, and then rolls out the red carpet on the date then yes, she wants to fuck soon.
  • Read the girl’s clothes on the date. Has she obviously taken alot of care in getting ready? Is she showing cleavage and leg? Is she wear an easy-lifted skirt? Does she mention nice underwear?
  • Don’t overcomplicate an easy set.

26 Comments

  1. I’ve had a few problems with over gaming girls in the past, comfort is really underrated around the manosphere, good post again.

    • Same dude, I’ve fucked up a lot of easy lays just because I underdid comfort and overdid game. Poor girls. Poor me. You live and you learn though.

  2. I’m going to risk an overdose of Krauser back slapping here, but this was only an “easy” set for someone with high daygame skill. Tread carefully thee who believe that Lithuania (or insert any other E.European country) is pussy-on-a-plate. Expect traditional values, Princess Behaviour, you doing most of the conversation and logistical nightmares. But on the plus side, all hail feminine, beautiful girls who wear heels to pop out to the shops. Countries like this remind you of what the male-female courtship polarity should look like. Great lay Krauser.

  3. “Game can be boiled down to one long compliance test where the beginning is “hello” and the end is sex. Game is only required when she’s not complying. For as long as she’s letting you lead her towards the bedroom you needn’t put on your PUA wizard hat and overgame the set.”

    well said.

  4. I cringed a bit when reading the texts, any reason why you ran chode game?? A normal soft-alpha game should have sufficed as the girl seemed into you. [Nope, it wouldn't. Tried the usual way and it scares them off. These are not westernised girls. K.]

  5. What line do you use to number close? I remember a post stating your preferred way of getting the number, instead of beta-asking “Çan I have your number?” [Usually, "I have to go but I'd like to take you out for a drink. Let me take your number". K.]

  6. Great post.
    Quick question. didn’t understand why you where mad. Where you mad because she was 5 minutes late and decided to be 30 minutes late or where you mad at something unrelated. [She expected me to wait in the cold for 30 minutes. I don't accept bad behaviour. K.]

    • Great post. One part i wanted to share and get some insights in is the anger part.

      Girl I’ve been seeing for 5 months, banging regularly, suddenly starts to go cool to the point she refuses to come over a few days ago after going out.

      Tonight, eve of public holiday after 2 days of very minimal text contact i text at 11:30pm:

      “Come over”

      Her: tmr? this is her way of reframing or maintaining hand.

      Me: now.

      Her; late.

      I was pissed but waited nearly an hour and replied:

      “oic, hey, good luck”

      And then cut it off.

      I thought this was more ambiguous without being overly displaying anger. In the past expressing any sort of anger would only push them away. This “oic, hey, good luck” seemed a better game option.

      Thoughts anyone? [You're being a dick and she's giving you static. K.]

      • Yeah silence is the way to go there. I don’t really see why you cut it off at that point but I’d have to hear more of the story. I’ve done shit like that and I’ve determined silence is the way to go.

        I’ve said “hey ignoring me is cool cya whenever” to a girl when I was in a good mood after I felt her slipping and she ignored a dumb text of mine a day prior, but I looked at it later and realized it could have sounded try-hard or angry. She responded with a dumb excuse 3 hours later. I probably could have continued it from there but I didn’t. Even then, silence is best, heh.

      • Thanks K. Always awesome.

        You’ve replied on this before and i’ve scoured your archive for any examples of the soft-dominance. I’m not getting this concept somehow.

        I thought I was beta backsliding with this girl. But a couple of times she wanted to come over and I had to refuse her because I simply had to work early in the morning.

        Then suddenly she’s flipping the switch on me with this “i’m working, I’m busy” nonsense.

        She’s gone from chasing and doing absolutely everything for me…to basically disappearing.

        All the while, following your guidelines, I’ve remained aloof. She’s covering up her disappearances with a kind of “helpfulness”….

        Last night after that above exchange, I wrote “oic, hey, good luck”. she replied with “Thx and then an elaborate set of texts detailing dance classes she signed us up for in a month’s time.

        I replied: “Please, no game playing” and her response was “?” and that was it.

        I left it. Radio silence.

        So your idea in this post of flashing anger intrigued me. But I’m not sure whether in my case i’m doing it right or have somehow done some beta backsliding in this exchange.

      • When she asked about tomorrow, she was offering a reschedule. Why would that piss you off?

        You are over-reacting.

        Then she gave you another opportunity, perhaps assuming you were actually being nice and wishing her good luck with something she might’ve mentioned to you or has coming up.

        She talks about signing you guys up for dance classes. She’s indicating she wants to hang out with you, and you take it as her playing games.

        WTF? Flashing anger is for when the girl has for sure done something wrong.

        I see nothing wrong in her messages, only in yours.

  7. walawla the oic hey good luck just doesnt sound right in this context. YOu should have just left it with silence.She sounded open to seeing you again, and if i a girl is responding, especially that late, it means you got her on the line. Id have just left it after she said “late”…then re-engaged her after maybe a week or so of silence. You want to convey that it has zero effect on you…and your last response was a bit transparant. GIrls are very intuitive. Thats why silence has such great effect, it leaves no room for analysis, and causes her to fantasize about you in all sorts of positive ways. Whats he doing? is he seeing other girls? etc.

    • “….your last response was a bit transparent”…yes I see how that could be though her reaction was to side-step that and the “Please no game playing” with “?” indicating hamster is spinning but both of us are gaming each other.

      Girls truly are awesome at game. Guys really need to learn it and re-wire their brains to it.

      • Agreed mate, but I think although a bit rash in text, you’re initial attitude of are we meeting up or not? is correct, The dancing thing was slightly random

      • @Ben/Laten Sadist Thanks again for chiming in on my posts.

        The freeze-out now seems to be working. She blew me off as above. I made other plans on the May 1st public holiday, was gaming other girls, gym etc.

        At 3am, I get a text from her wishing me “Safe flight” on a business trip.

        I ignore. In the afternoon I get a photo of some funny event happening in the city.

        I ignore that.

        Here’s the thing I’ve picked up from this blog and through my own trial and errors.

        Frame control is vital. This is a theme throughout Krauser’s blog and his examples are awesome case studies.

        The “freeze-out” has to be done without any hint of butthurtness—not easy. But the point is that if girls sense that you’re serious or that you’re moving on or that they won’t get the attention they’re used to, they’ll keep coming back.

        The one thing I’d like to see more explanation of if not this case study then a separate post is how to be angry.

        I tend to either over-react…or under-react.

        The current freeze-out requires a lot of discipline on my part.

  8. Krauser

    What’s your opinion of Essex girls? I sometimes do day approaches when I’m not in the city , it can be unpleasant lol (ironically currently seeing a nice girl from Essex). Any idea why the Essex ladies seem more conceited than the foreign? [I'm not good with Essex girls and don't like them. They have their own externally-referenced subculture that I clearly don't fit into and barely understand. K.]

    • I’d agree with that statment K,I’ve found that where you generally spot a foreign girl in the city, she will stop, talk and invest, at least shortly, Essex girls (not all, but a lot) won’t even stop and often don’t have much to contribute to a conversation, where foreign have their London life, home country. From your articles etc (which are very well written esp Count Cervantes), you’re pretty good at conversation and reading people, i’d imagine Essex would get on your nerves. .

  9. Silly question but… what does “SFU” stand for? I know it doesn’t mean Florida State University.

  10. Another question. Is there a general profile for these girls that go for the quick sex? Is it usually the case that they are coming off of a relationship or have gone a while without sex? When women are 25+ they usually become less impulsive but sdl daygame is all about triggering that impulsivity.

    Lastly, how do these things usually play out? You keep fb contact with them I’m sure. But what’s the pattern? Women want relationships more than they want casual sex (and they do want casual sex but that’s not their primary directive). Will you ever see this girl again? How do you sell the “relationship” to her? I’m just really curious about the lifecycle to these things. Maybe you could blog on that. As an American who doesn’t travel much, this is just alien to me.

  11. hey mate(K),
    how do i contact you. there seems to be no contact info on the site outside of the comments [krauser@rocksolidgame.co.uk I don't do teaching. K.]

  12. I would call it as guidelines for men how to sell themselves successfully to the girls/women during their trips:) well men’s prostitution is popular now however at least take some money, it is mean when man is offering to have sex with him and for free:) good luck especially men above 30 whose libido starts to go down:)

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